So with recent events do u think people will now do as they please?

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So I'm only just catching up with the real world and news as been hectic furniture building and juggling 4 kids. Joys.

Just caught a few threads on Cummings and breaking the rules.

DH just said he thinks people will now mix households freely and do as they wish.

Sorry if this has been done already if it has ignore me and I'll try and find it, I did briefly search prior to posting

If only I could🙈 but places just aren't open are they 🤷🏼‍♀️

Very true, although for me I'm OK with shops etc being shut as I hate shopping and tend to do the city centre when I have a huge list, which atm is getting bigger.
But will people do as they please as in Mixing households etc. Travelling to 2nd homes.

People already are mixing households some never stopped at all. I think peoples patience are wearing thin they're making their own risk assessments. My dc have been going to grandparents for a couple of weeks now but its needed as we are both at work.

Yes, everyone has a science doctorate now so can make informed decisions 🙄
I’m glad you’re not my daughter Uhoh2020 it’s very selfish to put parents in that position.
Unfortunately op I think you’re right.

@melor it was my parents idea not mine I didn't put them In any position. Its only for child care purposes which unfortunately is needed. They aren't over 70 no health conditions very healthy and my dc haven't been anywhere except for walks in the park

Yes I think more households will now mix, it's already happening. I also think that people will be travelling to second/holiday homes now.

Yes I think the genie was out of the lamp a few weeks ago and there is no putting it back in now.

I’m in Scotland and people are doing as much as they can within the limit of things being closed.

Parties and a meet ups at people’s houses, hairdressers doing homers, people visiting cafes and spending time inside having their coffee and cake (weather here) cars everywhere, people back on all the streets, nowhere near the social distancing of before (when you would see people walking on the road etc to avoid each other) businesses open and working again (curtain factory near me back on the go as before). I have a friend who is driving all over the UK to catch up with friends on a “holiday” staying at their houses (pre Cummings).

As soon as the next level is opened up I think everything will go even further back to normal at a quicker pace again.

I’d say most people are operating at phase 2 right now within the confines of obvious things being closed (schools, shopping centres, Pubs).

People have been kept in too long and will start playing by their own rules now.

Put it this way; if restrictions haven’t lifted by the time my kids break up in early July, we’ll be heading to the NE, from the SE “for the welfare of the children” too. Their mental health welfare will be every bit as important as the welfare of Cummings’ child while his parents had CV. I dare any police officer to argue the case with me.

I’ve yet to see a police car never mind police stopping anyone, nor have I heard of anyone being challenged by police during this whole period. I don’t think they care that much either, they are probably all extremely bored.

There’s a risk the whole containment of Coronavirus will unravel.... If it does, the Government’s appalling leadership will, in large part, be to blame.

Well, as the care on one child by one symptomatic and one healthy but isolating parent now appears to be a safeguarding issue I think we shall,see considerable individual interpretation of the rules.

(If they were that worried, they should have had the child picked up. And certainly need to,read up on the level of domestic difficulties families were grappling with, back in the days when we though 'in it together' meant something)

The virus is contained and most free thinking people know that. Which is why they are making their own risk assessment and doing what they feel like.

The government, especially in Scotland, is being over cautious.

The virus is contained and most intelligent people can see that's because we have radically reduced the number of interactions between people

All the initial estimations that drove how hard ( relatively soft) our lockdown is made the assumption that there are some people who always think they know better than anyone else , and that as people got bored the number of rule breakers would grow. So far, we have not had to go as draconian as say the french, but I think that is reflected in how slowly we are coming down the peak

Anyone who thinks now is the time to bend the rules to suit themselves risks delaying further loosening, risks a return to a harder lockdown and is fooling themselves otherwise, we haven't managed to resources thousands of new nurses and doctors, the NHS could still be overrun.

@sadie789 hasn't the virus been contained as a direct result of lock down ?

I think some people like my family will stay in because we can, and we have an added vulnerability.
Others won't bother and will take the risk.

That doesn't bother me in itself, but I worry about people who feel they have no choice but to be exposed- hairdressers and cleaners who can't afford to stay home, NHS workers, and those dealing directly with CV who will be stressed again and for longer.

And what bothers me most, is that we won't be able to clean hospitals up so non CV treatments can restart.

I don’t know why people are outraged about Cummings when on here, people are telling posters to visit their parents, kids etc. It’s total double standards and frothing just because of who he is.

Grant Shapps was pretty clear the rules are only guidance and you can do what the fuck you want if your called Cummings.

All a bit pointless.

Lots of people in our area are already doing whatever they like. I am feeling very resentful about the DC situation today- my small child sobbed in my arms because he misses his friends and grandparents yesterday. Why am I continuing to put him through this pain when that absolute dickhead isn’t prepared to lead by example? Why is his child’s wellbeing more important than mine?

Yep, lots of double standards going on. Think back to all those occasions where posters agreed it was “essential” to go and collect an adult child. Or people trotting out the “mental health is just as important line”. I’ve lost track of the numbers of times posters have agreed that children are included in the looking after a vulnerable person definition.

DH and I often said we’re not afraid of getting the virus per se, but worried about how we’d look after the children if we both became really unwell at the same time. We never did conclude what we would do though!

Don’t get me wrong, I think the guy is a massive tosser. But the MSM (and MN massive) couldn’t be happier that they have this to rip him and the government to pieces over.

@frumpety which was one of the aims of lockdown.

Success!

Now no longer a need for lockdown.

(And let’s get the hospitals back in business for the tens of thousands of people who are sick with myriad other illnesses).

Yes I think so. Even in our house, we have stuck stringently to the rules. Yesterday after the 50th tantrum from our 18 month old, and the 30th argument from us (I am pregnant too and have spent lockdown puking and crying) we decided we are seeing DHs parents for a walk today. They are in their mid 50s, healthy, been staying at home. It's probably a pretty small break of the rules (seeing both parents, not just one. DHs mum will probably hug our DD) but its huge for us. Seeing dominic Cummings tell people yesterday that it doesnt matter what others think, he can do what he wants, and seeing the PM back him, made me feel like a fool. Also, as I am being summoned back to each 40 kids a day in the next few weeks, why can't I see family? We are miserable. We cant do it anymore.

I don’t know why people are outraged about Cummings when on here, people are telling posters to visit their parents, kids etc. It’s total double standards and frothing just because of who he is

I know you’re not talking about me as im certainly not outraged but i would like to make two comments

A) its not double standards unless youve seen the same posters having a pop at cummings AND telling other posters they should visit family

B) personally i dont care about Cummings...I’m pissed Off with the government’s defense of him when really it should be ‘yeah he broke the rules’

I haven’t an issue with someone breaking a rule (though this was a biggie) i have an issue with people telling me that a rule hasn’t been broken

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Exactly

I think lots of people have broken or stretched a rule...but the difference is most of us feel guilty about it

Isn't that the whole point of this, Dominic Cummings story gets leaked - makes a mockery of everyone isolation. Now everyone thinks ok well we may as well get back to normal and people break the lockdown rather than the government. Then if things go pear shaped, the people are to blame and not the govenment....

I will no longer be angry at rule breakers and I will not be downloading the app as a result of this debarcle.