We are the only household on our road following the rules 😡

[MabelX]

Opposite house to the left has has plenty of visitors going in and out.

Elderly couple opposite - their family has been visiting every two or three days.

Bloke opposite to the right has been having parties.

To our right elderly lady has had her adult children round.

To our left were going out repeatedly when it was only allowed once a day, and then a couple of days ago had some friends round.

Next door to them has been the worst, absolute Piccadilly Circus. Visitors, parities, all sorts.

And now next door to that one are having a BBQ with five adults - only two live in the house!

I’ve reported Piccadilly Circus loads but have never seen the police come to talk to her.

It makes me SO angry. We would do anything to see our family and friends and our new baby niece. It’s driving me mad that we are the only people actually following the rules.

No wonder our R rate is so high.

[ChocolateCheesecake20]

I'm one of the rule breakers. It's too unbearable for me. I have pnd which is made worse by this as we are a very family orientated house. We see at least one parent daily.
Until last weekend we had stuck to it. However my teen had a huge breakdown causing a risk to the toddler so toddler went to GPS house. And has done since for a day with the baby
They go no where except groceries once a week so to us that risk is so small. The kids haven't even been in a shop for 2m.

Yesterday we visited grandparent and my brother and kids were there. Again they've been no where and have food delivered.
The kids played together in the pool we sat in garden and chatted.

I don't feel guilty. I'm not partying and I've done what I feel I needed to do for ourMH as mine is seriously bad at the moment and can't see a GP.

[larrygrylls]

I think there is a massive difference about, for instance, a girlfriend and boyfriend in a committed relationship seeing one another and a party.

Of course, in theory, the less mixing the better but that has to be balanced with allowing young healthy people to have a life.

[Delatron]

I think it’s worse to waste police time by calling them over such trivial matters. Just mind your own business and make your own risk assessment on what works best for you and your family.

[Topseyt]

Bluntness, no. Not just you at all.

I literally couldn't give a shit about what my neighbours are doing. I pay it very little attention. Sometimes I can hear some of them in their gardens, but I have no interest whatsoever in watching out of my front window to count how many times they leave the house, how many people come and go etc. I don't bother them, and so far they have never bothered me.

Some people really do have too much time on their hands these days.

[TheAdventuresoftheWishingChair]

The CFR is currently estimated at 1.2%. Based on 60% of the population being infected, that would be about 450,000 dead. Even though most would be old, I think most of us agree that this is not acceptable.

The CFR isn't currently estimated at 1.2%.

www.spectator.co.uk/article/stanford-study-suggests-coronavirus-might-not-be-as-deadly-as-flu

Many are estimating it as being 0.2% to 0.5% with some thinking it could be as low as 0.1%. Not to mention an increasing number of scientists see evidence for large parts of the population already being immune to this virus (Professor Michael Levitt and Professor Sunetra Gupta being just two and both are highly respected). Plus it's being argued that this virus is like other respiratory viruses which have a 2 month life cycle and that it's already burned itself through the population. This is supported by the fact that in all countries coming out of lockdown, the numbers of cases are still decreasing.

It was Ferguson who put ideas in peoples' heads about there being catastrophic numbers of deaths and his model has been very seriously criticised. There haven't even been 450k deaths WORLDWIDE and that despite the fact many countries haven't locked down and don't have many intensive care beds. This virus is just not that lethal despite how many tragic deaths we've had.

[MabelX]

Y’all don’t want to know how I feel about Dominic Cummings!



And that’s coming from a lifelong Conservative....

[larrygrylls]

TheAdventures.

'www.spectator.co.uk/article/stanford-study-suggests-coronavirus-might-not-be-as-deadly-as-flu

Many are estimating it as being 0.2% to 0.5% with some thinking it could be as low as 0.1%. Not to mention an increasing number of scientists see evidence for large parts of the population already being immune to this virus (Professor Michael Levitt and Professor Sunetra Gupta being just two and both are highly respected). Plus it's being argued that this virus is like other respiratory viruses which have a 2 month life cycle and that it's already burned itself through the population. This is supported by the fact that in all countries coming out of lockdown, the numbers of cases are still decreasing.'

I wish it were 0.2-0.5% but the latest estimate of number of people infected is around 4.3 million (17% in London and 5% in the rest of the country). According to the official figures 36,000 people have died, using excess mortality, it is considerably in excess of this.

So, between 0.85 and around 1.1% according to these numbers. There are lower numbers floating about and The Spectator (which does have an anti-lockdown bias) is quoting amongst the lowest.

[TheAdventuresoftheWishingChair]

I wish it were 0.2-0.5% but the latest estimate of number of people infected is around 4.3 million (17% in London and 5% in the rest of the country)

Have a look at Sunetra Gupta's talk on Unherd - it's not as simple as that. She explains why the 17% figure isn't necessarily accurate. And it doesn't capture the people who have natural immunity. The early case of the cruise ship where only a certain percentage of people got infected despite ideal conditions demonstrated early on that not everyone was going to succumb to it. This is born out by other countries where they haven't locked down and haven't had many deaths.

An 'anti-lockdown bias' is ok if it is a view based on science!

[larrygrylls]

TheAdventure,

There is no such thing as ‘Science’. This is not Newton’s laws!

It is a new virus with a variety of estimates on both infectivity and morbidly from a variety of equally respected sources.

And when you say ‘countries that have not locked down’, do you mean Sweden? If not, which other ones?