We are the only household on our road following the rules 😡

[MabelX]

Opposite house to the left has has plenty of visitors going in and out.

Elderly couple opposite - their family has been visiting every two or three days.

Bloke opposite to the right has been having parties.

To our right elderly lady has had her adult children round.

To our left were going out repeatedly when it was only allowed once a day, and then a couple of days ago had some friends round.

Next door to them has been the worst, absolute Piccadilly Circus. Visitors, parities, all sorts.

And now next door to that one are having a BBQ with five adults - only two live in the house!

I’ve reported Piccadilly Circus loads but have never seen the police come to talk to her.

It makes me SO angry. We would do anything to see our family and friends and our new baby niece. It’s driving me mad that we are the only people actually following the rules.

No wonder our R rate is so high.

[larrygrylls]

TheAdventure,

There is no such thing as ‘Science’. This is not Newton’s laws!

It is a new virus with a variety of estimates on both infectivity and morbidly from a variety of equally respected sources.

And when you say ‘countries that have not locked down’, do you mean Sweden? If not, which other ones?

[TheAdventuresoftheWishingChair]

I wish it were 0.2-0.5% but the latest estimate of number of people infected is around 4.3 million (17% in London and 5% in the rest of the country)

Have a look at Sunetra Gupta's talk on Unherd - it's not as simple as that. She explains why the 17% figure isn't necessarily accurate. And it doesn't capture the people who have natural immunity. The early case of the cruise ship where only a certain percentage of people got infected despite ideal conditions demonstrated early on that not everyone was going to succumb to it. This is born out by other countries where they haven't locked down and haven't had many deaths.

An 'anti-lockdown bias' is ok if it is a view based on science!

[larrygrylls]

TheAdventures.

'www.spectator.co.uk/article/stanford-study-suggests-coronavirus-might-not-be-as-deadly-as-flu

Many are estimating it as being 0.2% to 0.5% with some thinking it could be as low as 0.1%. Not to mention an increasing number of scientists see evidence for large parts of the population already being immune to this virus (Professor Michael Levitt and Professor Sunetra Gupta being just two and both are highly respected). Plus it's being argued that this virus is like other respiratory viruses which have a 2 month life cycle and that it's already burned itself through the population. This is supported by the fact that in all countries coming out of lockdown, the numbers of cases are still decreasing.'

I wish it were 0.2-0.5% but the latest estimate of number of people infected is around 4.3 million (17% in London and 5% in the rest of the country). According to the official figures 36,000 people have died, using excess mortality, it is considerably in excess of this.

So, between 0.85 and around 1.1% according to these numbers. There are lower numbers floating about and The Spectator (which does have an anti-lockdown bias) is quoting amongst the lowest.

[MabelX]

Y’all don’t want to know how I feel about Dominic Cummings!



And that’s coming from a lifelong Conservative....

[TheAdventuresoftheWishingChair]

The CFR is currently estimated at 1.2%. Based on 60% of the population being infected, that would be about 450,000 dead. Even though most would be old, I think most of us agree that this is not acceptable.

The CFR isn't currently estimated at 1.2%.

www.spectator.co.uk/article/stanford-study-suggests-coronavirus-might-not-be-as-deadly-as-flu

Many are estimating it as being 0.2% to 0.5% with some thinking it could be as low as 0.1%. Not to mention an increasing number of scientists see evidence for large parts of the population already being immune to this virus (Professor Michael Levitt and Professor Sunetra Gupta being just two and both are highly respected). Plus it's being argued that this virus is like other respiratory viruses which have a 2 month life cycle and that it's already burned itself through the population. This is supported by the fact that in all countries coming out of lockdown, the numbers of cases are still decreasing.

It was Ferguson who put ideas in peoples' heads about there being catastrophic numbers of deaths and his model has been very seriously criticised. There haven't even been 450k deaths WORLDWIDE and that despite the fact many countries haven't locked down and don't have many intensive care beds. This virus is just not that lethal despite how many tragic deaths we've had.

[Topseyt]

Bluntness, no. Not just you at all.

I literally couldn't give a shit about what my neighbours are doing. I pay it very little attention. Sometimes I can hear some of them in their gardens, but I have no interest whatsoever in watching out of my front window to count how many times they leave the house, how many people come and go etc. I don't bother them, and so far they have never bothered me.

Some people really do have too much time on their hands these days.

[Delatron]

I think it’s worse to waste police time by calling them over such trivial matters. Just mind your own business and make your own risk assessment on what works best for you and your family.

[larrygrylls]

I think there is a massive difference about, for instance, a girlfriend and boyfriend in a committed relationship seeing one another and a party.

Of course, in theory, the less mixing the better but that has to be balanced with allowing young healthy people to have a life.

[ChocolateCheesecake20]

I'm one of the rule breakers. It's too unbearable for me. I have pnd which is made worse by this as we are a very family orientated house. We see at least one parent daily.
Until last weekend we had stuck to it. However my teen had a huge breakdown causing a risk to the toddler so toddler went to GPS house. And has done since for a day with the baby
They go no where except groceries once a week so to us that risk is so small. The kids haven't even been in a shop for 2m.

Yesterday we visited grandparent and my brother and kids were there. Again they've been no where and have food delivered.
The kids played together in the pool we sat in garden and chatted.

I don't feel guilty. I'm not partying and I've done what I feel I needed to do for ourMH as mine is seriously bad at the moment and can't see a GP.

[userxx]

@Bluntness100 No, its not just you. This year has made me realise how nasty some people really are. Very disappointing.

[Spannwr1971]

I've got a neighbor who claps like a demented seal every Thursday, complete with pans, flags and (yesterday), sparklers! All whilst turning a blind eye to her DDs bf coming round the whole time. She runs the local kids nursery, and is there having contact with key workers kids every day. It pissed me off for ages, but then I realised that's all it was doing. I ain't gonna report her, doubt they'd do owt if I did. It's not worth getting stressed about. I don't get if it's cognitive dissonance, or hypocrisy though.

[mencken]

the 'no new cases in London' thing turned out to be a whole bunch of not true.

there is now room in intensive care if needed. Unfortunately the Darwin awards don't go just to the 'free spirits'.

[Bluntness100]

Is it just me who really really doesn’t wish to to be that person who curtain twitches on their neighbours and reports them to the police.

So many people have turned into that person. I don’t break the rules, but god I’d rather eat my own foot than be spying on my neighbours and calling rhe police on them.

[okiedokieme]

The community rate is really low now, no new cases in my city for 5 days. Look out for yourself and stop worrying about the rest of us. Some people have very complex lives, it isn't necessarily that we didn't want to follow the rules but couldn't

[MsSafina]

Our adult son came to sit with us in the garden at a good distance apart. I was under the impression you can see one family member at a time. He has mental health problems and been alone in his flat for 2 months.

[larrygrylls]

The idea of ‘flattening the peak’ has been abandoned (I thought everyone knew this?!).

The CFR is currently estimated at 1.2%. Based on 60% of the population being infected, that would be about 450,000 dead. Even though most would be old, I think most of us agree that this is not acceptable.

The current strategy is about squeezing the cases to a minimal number and tracking and tracing new cases. This will only work if people are sensible.

So, yes to doing your own reasonable risk assessment but no to behaving how the hell you like.

[Hagisonthehill]

I'm not worrying too much about it as most people are meeting outside.This semi lockdown may not cause a spike.
But when cooler weather begins,schools return and activity is driven indoors,then we will get a spike all mixed in with normal colds and flu.

[TheShapeJaper]

It’s not a strange statement at all. Lots of cherry picking going on.

[TorkTorkBam]

I wonder how many people who justify going against the “guidelines” are fretting about their children going back to school 🤔 this is a weird thread

Eh? What a strange statement.

If you looked at my life you would see my family closely adhering to the guidelines. Mabel wouldn't be calling in the SWAT team. Yet I know that I might choose to balance the risks differently if my circumstances changed. I am lucky, I have an easy lockdown life and can adhere to the letter of the guidelines not just the spirit.

I want my children to go back. They are at very low risk of catching, suffering and spreading. They will be in classrooms with people whose families had BBQs, whose unhinged neighbours called the police (who did nothing of course).

I am OK with that. Why wouldn't I be? I believe people can deliver the outcomes sought by the guidelines (don't overwhelm the NHS) without following the exact letter of the guidelines.

[LindainLockdown]

I'm sure most police are laughing now at these reports coming in from sticky beaks.

[ihatelockdown]

So what! Just worry about yourselves! I'm sure your lockdown certificate is in the post

[RainMustFall]

The whole point of lockdown was to flatten the peak so that hospitals wouldn't be overwhelmed with CV patients and that has been achieved. That's why the experts have relaxed the rules a bit. I'm sure they took into account the likelihood that a percentage of the population would not adhere to the rules. The police don't care if Fred Bloggs had a couple of friends join him for a barbecue as the OP has discovered, having called them multiple times about her neighbour with no result.

Adults must be allowed to make their own decisions in life; thankfully we don't live in a nanny state. I have decided to remain in isolation, others will choose differently and unless those decisions impact on your life, it really is none of your business.

[vodkaredbullgirl]

Im either working or sleeping so have not got a fucking clue what others are doing.

[TheShapeJaper]

I wonder how many people who justify going against the “guidelines” are fretting about their children going back to school 🤔 this is a weird thread

[trappedsincesundaymorn]

Well you're certainly being alert Op I'll give you that.....don't think spying on your neighbours was quite what Boris meant though.