Children and school return, Yes there is evidence. Please read it

[NoMorePoliticsPlease]

I dont know why everyone says there is no evidence that children are less affected bu coronavirus and spread it less.
There is this for starters
Highly respected, published in the Arch Dis Child 2020
and printed in the BMJ

I have posted it on every post on the subject but still posters say there is nothing
The teachers unions are coming out of this really badly and do not seem to have the childrens welfare at heart

adc.bmj.com/content/archdischild/early/2020/05/05/archdischild-2020-319474.full.pdf

The two major “studies” that have been jumped in by the press and others are:

A single child who returned from a ski trip

A group of 9 children in Australia

It’s bullshit to make any firm assertion from that.

The article in the OP mainly concludes that we don’t know. Lots of tentative language.

Stop trying to claim science is anywhere other than emergent with this.

Well we have the example of Scandinavian countries which have reopened schools and found so far that the risk of spreading the virus in schools is moderate.

To be fair, that's in Scandinavian school set ups though. Much smaller groups than we're planning in the UK, older children, and that's not taking into account an education style that makes use of outdoor learning and spaces. It's not what it will be like in the UK schools which are much more crowded, and starting with the age groups least able to follow these directions, understand the changes and emotionally cope with them. The only evidence we will have for whether or not this is safe for UK children, their staff and their families is to chuck them into schools and see.

Stop trying to claim science is anywhere other than emergent with this.
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This. And without a functional test track and trace system in place it’s even more of an experiment to reopen schools. Ds1’s have messaged today to say that all years other than 10 and 12 won’t be back until September at least. Even 10 and 12 won’t start to be phased in until June 15th earliest there.

The relaxing of the lockdown in Denmark was said to have raised the R value by 0.3 it didn't go above 1. So it continued to decrease. 0.3 is s lot if you are in part of the country that's at 0.8.

Even if there is cast-iron evidence that children are not super-spreaders and are extremely unlikely to contract or pass on the virus I think the majority of teachers and unions and some parents will still want to keep schools closed.

No amount of scientific, peer-reviewed evidence will ever be enough.

I’m not sure I want to be like the Scandinavian countries though. Or at least not Sweden. Because The Independent has reported that they now have the highest per capita death rate in the world

my sensitivity to the teachers’ unions rests on their rhetoric

I’d be interested to know what you mean by this. Which rhetoric in particular?

This morning on radio 4 my confidence in common sense was restored. A head teacher who is not yet ready to reopen talked about her small school building, all using the same corridor and a shortage of staff. Another who is ready to open has a building in which each class can use an access to the out doors and there is plenty of outdoor space. There is confidence that the children will be kept in groups of ten, not socially distancing but not mixing with the other groups. Could it be that these decisions can be made on an individual school basis rather that by councils or government? Head teachers making their own risk assessment?. On this thread my motives have been questioned, and attention to my user name, which is really that I dont want to talk politics, am not a political person at all, I have no axe to grind, it isnt even for me about getting people back to work, although perhaps I should be thinking that way.I am surrounded by troubled children and stressed parents. I am just sad.

The teachers union have the teachers best interests at heart the teachers I've spoken to have the childrens best interest at heart

The science is untested and unproven right now we have a right to be concerned these are our children used as an experiment and the teachers will feel the fall out more it's not worth it right now my kids are staying home

To be honest OP, you keep changing your stance on what this thread is about each time you post but you never answer any questions or points.
I mean, it’s pretty clear what axe you have to grind when you write this:

The teachers unions are coming out of this really badly and do not seem to have the childrens welfare at heart

Oh and OP, I don’t know if you have been following the Independent Sage committee chaired by former government chief scientist Sir David King who says that new modelling of the Coronavirus shows risk to children will be halved if they return to school two weeks later than ministers propose. They have also said more time is needed, as well, to set up an effective track and trace system to contain future outbreaks.

This is why it is useful to keep reading about research/advice/modelling that comes out, rather than stop at research that was carried out prior to 23rd April.

ChloeDecker

That’s interesting- I wonder if that will be reflected in the publicly of the science behind the reopening plan that the govt has promised us today...

This from bbc, seems children are "half as likely" to contract. Still not clear on spread. Not sure how reassuring that is as a parent. I was always a bit sceptical that there was "very little risk".

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Anecdotally you might think these are the children most likely to be exposed to the virus from their parents, and yet we havent heard much negative incidents from these teachers

They are also the children whose parents are most likely to be highly aware of the dangers of transmission, the need for strict hygiene and SD. Unlike the majority of returning pupils.

And the reason I pay over a hundred a year in Union fees is precisely because they have my interests as their priority. That’s why a Union exists in any form.