Was this covid? Dec 2019

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So back in Dec I had a cough and if it developed into a coughing fit I couldn't breathe for around maybe 30 seconds (though it felt like a lot longer) and couldn't breathe out but could breathe in and my face would start going purple and I would feel very panicky. Even when my cough eased if I occasionally coughed for longer this would happen. This went on for around a month and never happened to me before. Cough was dry.

I went to the doctor who said there was a sign of a slight infection on one side after listening to my chest so gave me antibiotics. As this continued I went back and asked whether it could be asthma, he said this was very unlikely and could be acid reflux. I've never had heartburn before.

I had no other symptoms and nobody close to me experienced this, does anyone think this this was covid or experienced the same? I guess I'll never know for sure unless there is an antibody test just curious to see if anyone has had similar experiences.

Also I told my friend about this who worked in a pharmacy and a week later she said a customer came in describing exactly the same thing back in Dec and said she'd never experienced it before too. My same friend also has a colleague who is convinced she had covid in Dec and just had a cough.

Watching with interest. Had the same in December 2019

Sounds much like a bronchial spasm to me.

I had them years ago when my lung health and general fitness was quite poor and I caught a cold that gave me a hacking cough.

Quite scary being unable to breathe for 30 seconds to a minute at a time, but it was entirely down to my own laziness and bad habits, not some communicable disease.

Should maybe add, that around the same time I also used to regularly suffer from reflux and such, because I was coughing so hard I'd have stomach acid rising up to my gullet, which creates reflux symptoms and exacerbates the coughing.

Honestly, no, I doesn't sound like Covid, it sounds like you're describing exactly what I went through.

Sounds like Whooping cough. Did you get vaccinated?

It's not covid, we know for sure that it wasn't here in December but were not sure about January.

You can’t say it wasn’t reflux because you have never had reflux before. You can develop conditions/symptoms at any time. No it was not CV.

It's not covid, we know for sure that it wasn't here in December but were not sure about January

It wasn't here in December apart from in the homes and families of most posters on here, haven't you read all the hundreds of posts by MNers who are sure they had it as early as November last year, but only in a way that wasn't picked up by any kind of medical statistical monitoring

It might have been here in dec but if it was it wasnt circulating widely in the community else it would have resulted in a lot of hospital admissions and deaths which I think would have been picked up.

@Tangledyarn

I work in the NHS and scientists are confident that it wasn't here in December.

That's not true as France had its first CONFIRMED case in December and maybe countless unconfirmed cases. Pretty sure it was in the UK then too. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-52526554 BBC]

@BigusBumus

We was told that it was 100% not in the UK then.

Whether or not Covid was here in Dec, remember the high proportion of negative test results (on people who have symptoms). So it's still not that likely it was Covid.

Absolutely sure my son and I had it in late December. We went on holiday to Tenerife and he fell ill mid flight with raging temperature (he's 13) that spiked up and down for days. He was so tied and had a terrible cough but no regular cold or flu symptoms. I caught it after a few days too and we had a really shit holiday! I'm looking forward to taking the antibody test to see if I'm right.

So you caught CV before you even left the UK in December BigusBumus? when there were no actual cases in the UK at that time? His symptoms sound very like the myriad of other viruses going around during typical flu season. Like every other year.

It was confirmed in January but took until March to really take off in cases.
It’s not beyond the realms of possibility that it was here in December tbh but probably only in small numbers.

I know of two people who had all the symptoms in December. They’re based in London. I’m positive they had it.
As for your symptoms, I don’t know if it sounds like it. I’ve had what you describe and it turned out to be whooping cough but usually with that, the chest is clear and others would’ve likely caught it as it spread through my family very quickly.
Without the antibody test we’ll never know. If they go back that far that is

I am certain it was here as it was in france and the guy hadnt been abroad since Aug.

• there is a uk choir who caught it from someone from wuhan
• the uk did antibody tests and wont release results even to scotland
• they did sentinel testing and never released those results
• they tell us their antibody tests wouldnt work yet other countries were doing them
• they have only ok the non home tests

However even france still only had a few antibodies maybe 5%. It's certainly possible uk infected. Europe. We had something before Xmas. But then we've caught something now too so who knows. All those wuhan flights they only stopped when wuhan was lovked down and other china flights continued. So nov-jan? And we saw what happened in italy the wave moving to other countries, that probably happened with small little waves. Also note brighton isnt that badly hit comsidering london commity so the Scout guy maybe did infect more people in jan.

They need to publish the antibody testing as it would be interesting to see.
Also considering all the stirring up and events let to go ahead 50k deaths above normal uk levels actually isnt that high - when it was right in london and whole uk whereas other countries eg italy it was not in Rome.

Nyc also seems to have comparatively high immunity of 25%.
Would be interesting to see what rome was like

Thank you for the replies, I have had the whooping cough vaccine and I am pretty active and healthy/never smoked, so don't think it was because of poor lung health. Possibly it could have been I was coughing so hard that I brought up acid, though I've had bad coughs before and still never experienced that, strange

It's an interesting one. I don't think it's outside tbe possibility. I had an awful virus in December, so much so I ended up in hospital needing oxygen. It wasn't flu, I was tested for that so they just said it was a bad virus. My only symptoms, temperature and cough. Lasted all month. My husband got the same but not quite as bad. Child escaped. Who knows what it was though

Last March 2019 I had a virus which knocked me for 6. All the symptoms of todays Covid. I know 100% it wasn't but if I had suffered the same in March 2020 I would have been convinced that it was. My point is that there are some nasty viruses around all the time. They would still have been doing the rounds.

If covid was here in Dec, why didn't the deaths start until April? See the article below - the graph shows excess deaths (compared to previous years), so it can't be due to incorrect reporting of the cause of death.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/52282844

you can do a private antibody test if you want to know .

I did have all the symptoms end of December/beginning of Jan and it was the most severe virus I've had since I was a child. A friend went on to develop the same.

I think unless you work in a healthcare setting you are probably not aware of the huge amounts of data collected on every patient on every appointment, every routine or non routine examination, every medication listed, medication changes and so on it’s endless

That is all compared and analysed constantly by systems and professionals. This is to monitor our health, pick up patterns and to manage things like medication orders and future planning. Then there are the meetings to discuss such issues do you think so many professionals would have just shrugged their shoulders and thought oh that’s weird Mrs Jones had the same symptoms as Mr Smith and Miss Ryan it looked like pneumonia but was a bit different but who knows

If it was here with even the number on here claiming they have had it as it’s not easily contained as it’s a highly contagious virus, it would have passed on it would have been picked up

France has confirmed one case that appears to be isolated that’s it

Do you not think they are testing other samples too ?

A few colleagues think along these lines but also into the many conspiracies.

I know it’s a bit off topic but the whooping cough vaccine only lasts until you’re about 10-12. It does sound like bronchial spasms