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2/3 of care homes have had no outbreak at all

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CuriousaboutSamphire · 15/05/2020 17:14

Well... that was not the stat I expected!

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Pertella · 15/05/2020 18:04

anyone who thinks the glass is half full because only half of it was full of strychnine is absolutely on crack.

Good job no one said that then isnt it.

Fuck me, this place is full of people who just make up their own meaning of words sometimes, and are absolute arses about it too.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 15/05/2020 18:05

That makes sense and it would be good to drill down into the stats. Hancock did say it was data collected from multiple sources, but no more detail than that.

It seemed to be his headline stat. Which is why it caught my attention.

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SunnySideDownBriefly · 15/05/2020 18:09

Doctors have been discouraged from noting Covid as the primary cause of death. If they put Covid then it holds up the whole process and has to go to the Coroner's Office (who are completely backed up). If they put it as a contributory factor then it is not recorded in the Covid figures.

So the other 10,000 extra deaths are likely due to be down to Covid.

nomorewinedayfriday · 15/05/2020 18:24

The stats in care homes is dramatically skewed. My mum and MIL are both nurses in separate dementia care homes and both homes have lost over half their residents to corona (30 plus victims) It's tragic.

Because they weren't being tested the death certificates don't specifically state the virus as a cause of death but it's spreading like wild fire.

AlecTrevelyan006 · 15/05/2020 18:29

I suspect that chances of Covid 19 entering a care home is very small, but if it does then the chances of it having a serious impact is very high

BigChocFrenzy · 15/05/2020 18:37

"I suspect that chances of Covid 19 entering a care home is very small"

The results from many countries show the chance is significant

in the UK, the early policy of discharging infected patients from hospitals to care homes will have increased the number of care home outbreaks

BigChocFrenzy · 15/05/2020 18:39

The 2 main problems are:

  1. Staff & visitors would be infectious for some days before having symptoms

  2. Many staff are on low pay but would receive little or no sick pay, so staying home when ill could mean not being able to pay rent / food ..... and some would prioritise paying essential bills

Derbygerbil · 15/05/2020 18:46

I suspect that chances of Covid 19 entering a care home is very small

Given it’s apparently Covid entered 1/3 of care homes, the evidence suggests the chances don’t seem to be “very small” to me!

WordInYourShellLike · 15/05/2020 20:07

I read this article on the Telegraph website 3 days ago, not a paper I'd usually read, written by Ambrose Evans-Pritchard, International Business Editor of said publication. It's absolutely shocking. I've included an extract here that talks about what happened to residents of care homes:

"A Covid cardiologist at a top London hospital – friendly to Boris – has been so incensed by the daily charade of bogus omniscience that he vented his spleen in an email to me on Sunday night. It is a poignant indictment, so I pass along a few snippets.

Basically, every mistake that could have been made, was made. He likened the care home policy to the Siege of Caffa in 1346, that grim chapter of the Black Death when a Mongol army catapulted plague-ridden bodies over the walls.

“Our policy was to let the virus rip and then ‘cocoon the elderly’,” he wrote. “You don’t know whether to laugh or cry when you contrast that with what we actually did. We discharged known, suspected, and unknown cases into care homes which were unprepared, with no formal warning that the patients were infected, no testing available, and no PPE to prevent transmission. We actively seeded this into the very population that was most vulnerable.

“We let these people die without palliation. The official policy was not to visit care homes – and they didn’t (and still don’t). So, after infecting them with a disease that causes an unpleasant ending, we denied our elders access to a doctor – denied GP visits – and denied admission to hospital. Simple things like fluids, withheld. Effective palliation like syringe drivers, withheld.”

oralengineer · 15/05/2020 20:34

The elderly who were transferred to care homes early on were in hospital for a good reason. Initially it was thought that moving them was protected given that hospitals were going to become hotspots. However moving elderly patients with very brittle health is a risk factor all by itself. Add to this limited access for GPS and nursing staff and many who were close to death anyway may have just died a little early than anticipated.
No access to fluid support for dehydration or IV antibiotics that would have prolonged life if they had remained in acute secondary care.
Staff overwhelmed by a full house of high needs residents will not have helped. Care homes have few qualified nurses who are able to spot red flags.
Care homes are excellent at end of life care so at least they will have been comfortable.
A paramedic reported going into a home to assess a number of isolated patients (Covid) and was changing gloves/mask /visor before entering each room. The care worker with her was surprised and asked if they should be doing that too. Lack of basic quarantine/infection control training may well be an issue. It probably explains why norovirus goes through care homes like a hurricane. Even in hospitals handwashing is often the only infection control used between patients because PPE is PERSONAL PROTECTION EQUIPMENT not PATIENT PROTECTION EQUIPMENT. Health care assistants are trained to use it to protect themselves.

alwayskissmegoodnight · 15/05/2020 23:00

Most of the residents tested positive, some have died, many ill. Staff ill, some hospitalized. GPs and Community nurses abandoned us weeks ago. Staff threatened that they must not utter a word to the outside world. Carers need to be treated as equals, they are fighting this on the front line and do not have union support and cant offload to anyone for fear of their jobs. This is the reality.

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