Are we expecting schools to be open as normal by September?

[Concerned7777]

So many threads on here about whether to send dc back in June or not....totally not the reason for the post I dont care your thoughts either way about June .
But what about September, many saying they're keeping dc off til September but are we expecting everything to be open and normal as it was before? Do we think all classes will return in September full time?

Schools are having to implement changes to open in June with many saying the changes aren't possible or not safe. Some saying it may be child care only not education, part time only and not even able to accommodate the priority nursery reception yr1 and yr6 classes at this time with the current guidelines. If we cant accommodate them now how can they accommodate the whole school a few months later. I doubt the virus will be eradicated by then although the R rate will be lower there is still going to be risk even then.
It never occurred to me until today that a September full school open may not be possible or safe? Am I the only one who thought this or am I late to the party?

@Blackbear19 flipping holidays won’t happen in the state sector now - too late. I know a couple of private schools that have extended their Easter holidays and are going back on 1 June - mid August. Then 2 weeks and back for autumn term.

Which private schools are those Strawberry?

@EducatingArti:

Durham School
Abbey College in Malvern

Thanks Strawberry.

Teens meeting up in the park could drag this out for all of us. How selfish!

Where I live it’s not the teens misbehaving. This week my local park has changed. Large groups of parents with small children meeting up. Adults sitting far too close to each other, children all running around together, everyone passing things to each other. It seems that since it’s been announced that the primary schools are going back parents have treated it as a free for all.

I disagree with many and think it’ll be all open by then

As more people are now going back to work etc more people will be getting exposed and the pool of potential carriers will reduce

Many many people will be having this with no symptoms and possibly be becoming immune

Coupled with antibody tests by then etc I expect by early summer that most people will have been exposed and they’ll drop the 2m rule

Already if the info about London is true, Cases have dropped dramatically suggesting a lot of London have already been exposed
That could be the same in all areas in two weeks reducing uk infections to couple hundred a day which is manageable and may equate to very few deaths

I honestly think it’ll be ‘vulnerable shield and everyone go about their day as normal’

Theres absolutely no one - other than very old- socially distancing in my village, kids meetings in groups and adults to be fair and we haven’t had a single case that I’m aware of
Most people not socially distancing now and are fed up they’ll be no point by summet

I think and hope daisymay could be right, here.

It seems to me that the majority of the scaremongering (and calls to stay in lockdown), are coming from the people who are quite comfortably off in lockdown.

Daisy may I hope you are right. But there is just so much we don't know about this virus and how long people are immune to it.

Isn’t it better for children to catch it now? (Children with no health problems that make them highly vulnerable).

As, the data suggests that under 10’s are relatively unaffected when they do catch it. There might never be a vaccine.

Based on that, I would prefer to know that my children have had it while they are young.

In a similar way to chicken pox, people always say it is better for children to have it, as older people getting it for the first time are more severely affected.

The same with teenagers. They are not at risk of dying from this disease at the same rate as over 65’s.

I know there is the risk of children transmitting the disease to others who may be older or vulnerable, I’m thinking specifically here about people who say they do not want their children to be at risk so must not catch the virus.

Children who are shielding/have shielding or elderly family members in household could stay at home and learn online.

And for teachers - if teachers over the age of 50 stay at home, along with shielding groups or teachers or teachers who have shielding/elderly people in their home, then those teachers could go online and teach the children who can’t attend school.

Then all the vulnerable groups are away from schools but the ones who are not at increased risk are in school.

Yes, Ziggery!

Daisy may. If you look at the statistics thread you will see that your thoughts and hopes are not really backed up by the data we have at present.

But thy are surely

Ok cases are still high but we are testing 3x at many as we were and we are testing asymptomstics so obviously whilst cases are still fairly high they’re not all critical

My local hospital which services several large towns and villages has had one case of Covid come in during the last 10 days - I have w contact there

It’s massively on the decline

In the UK as a whole, the estimated percentage of people who have had Covid19 is about 4% . It is more than this in London ( no more than 10% though and more likely 7%).

Yes but not all people should assume they’ll have to have it I guess

I’m in my 40s and haven’t ever had flu once

Well, Eton's not opening yet.

So clearly getting everyone back into education isn't that important.

It's almost like the government just wants the proletariat back out working.

I work in a school and it is not expected that it will be business as normal in September.

"Yes but not all people should assume they’ll have to have it I guess."

This is different
There is already a significant " herd immunity" effect from flu because of people having had flu before ( even if a different strain it could be similar enough to fine some immunity) and flu vaccines.
Coronavirus is totally new so now of the above
I think they have estimated it needs about 40 to 60% of a population to be immune before there is any significant kind of herd immunity effect. If only say 5% have had it so far, that is an awful lot more people, awful lot more serious cases and an awful lot more deaths!

Eton!!!

I expect they are managing to continue an educational provision quite well without being physically back in the building!

Hard to imagine anyone paying Eton fees is letting their kids piss about on a x-box all day.

So, yes - education is that important!!

The general idea seemed to be get children back to school as soon as possible. However I have seen threads saying the school can only safety offer 10 to 15 places for the 3 year groups that are allowed in. Others saying those children will.attend full time and the others just have to stay at home.
Not fair but understandable.
However schools can't carry on doing this in September as that's very unfair on the children at home and presumably "proper" lessons will start at some point. On the other hand is it going to be safe for children and staff to go back to normal?I would say not
There doesn't seen to be any answer. I can't see schools being safe for a long time but what will the cost be to our children's education and ultimately our world-wide economy?

I disagree with Daisy. Social distancing very much happening where I live. I also can’t see the gov dropping the 2 metre rule in 31/2 months just before flu season ,hardly anybody has had it, the percentages who have are minuscule. Schools can’t fit in any more kids and Cambridge uni has announced no face to face lectures for the whole of next year.

I think school will be open to more pupils as schools are not closed...the buildings maybe but staff and some children go into hubs daily. More children will be able to come into school but with H&S at the forefront. It will be different to what it as on March 20th.
I would think that by then the Welsh Govt [I am in Wales] will have a plan in place. There are ideas based on the traffic light system but as a humble classroom teacher I don`t have the foggiest what they are. I have loads of ideas but no asks me.