Has the government got paid posters here to quash any dissenting voices?

[ssd]

There's always been robust discussions on politics on mn, but I've noticed lately when ever someone questions the government's track record on covid, certain posters pop up with very similar agendas, defending them to the hilt and trying to throw the discussion round to something else.

I'd like to see when posters actually joined mn, some newer posters must spend all their time on here defending the indefensible.

Doh, wrong thread!

I think people have been brainwashed by social media. Data harvesting wasn't done for nothing. It's easy to sway people that meet a certain profile by bombarding them with bullshit.

ssd Wed 13-May-20 23:52:55
No, I think that's what I meant, broadly speaking. Then again, I've been furloughed 7 weeks, I can hardly tell what day it is now

Ha! I just re read my last post thinking what's she on about talking about dialogue, doesn't she mean discourse? And then registering 'she' is 'me'

What day is it anyway? Does it matter?

I'm not furloughed because I'm now signed off. Had major surgery last year which removed a considerable amount of a vital system in my body and have recently ceased to be able to work due to problems that has caused. Went for certain procedures and biopsies back in March and was meant to be seen 2 weeks later to confirm diagnosis and approve a medication route that needs hospital approval rather than just a GPs prescription pad. Then the hospital shut up shop to those kind of issues and appointments and my treatment came to a halt meaning doc had to sign me off and I can't give work any clear answers as to when/how I'll be back..

Could see it as bad luck in terms of my health issues waiting or good luck in terms of being removed from the current shit show. I'm undecided lol. I'm also aware that in a way it's good luck that the hospital failed to follow up with me last year or get on with the test i needed for proper diagnosis or I might be on imuno suppressants now and shielding therefore leaving my shielding parents with no one to collect and deliver their meds and emergency foods etc.

Have you ever heard that story about the man whose horse runs away and his neighbours say oh what terrible luck and then his horse comes back with another horse and they say oh what great luck and then the new horse somehow breaks his son's leg and they all say what terrible luck until the army recruiters come taking all the young men to war and the son can't go because of his broken luck and they all say ahh what good luck etc etc etc???? I kind of feel like that's the story of life right now and the coming recession is being cast as terrible luck but??? Maybe it will force stimulus economics and they'll HAVE to invest in public services and put money in people's pockets given ten years of austerity has left nothing left to strip. Maybe people's gratitude for the nhs will result in tptb having to invest in the nhs and bail out the debt that only exists through years of deliberate underfunding. who knows.

I'm honestly at the point of thinking certainty is a fools game

claig had a sense of humour. And did post on other topics. I was surprised to see her on a baking thread once. She was pro Trump but bizarrely pro Corbyn too. Anyone she perceived as anti the elite.
isitmee with the italics and barrage of Telegraph links was a humourless soul. I can't imagine what sort of life they led curating their massive index of links to post on any discussion to stifle it.
Tosca and longfingernails were the other two posters I remember. One on the left and the other on the (extreme) right.

I don't know about political types, but sure as eggs is eggs there are plenty of journos.

yes i remember longfingernails too! Genuinely laughed out loud at, 'curating their massive index of links'

claig did have a sense of humour and a willingness to engage. I think I remember being genuinely disbelieving that she liked sarah palin (was that that woman's name) and her being willing to unpick why and how she thought she was good for women's interests. I didn't agree but respected that her viewpoint was internally logical at least and had reasoning.

I'm struggling to remember fwr poster names because many of them I ended up meeting in real life at conferences and/or being in contact with them on facebook under their real names.

I wasn't clever enough for FWR when Dittany was here. I don't know the theory and hadn't read the right books! So can't remember names from then.
Yes Sarah Palin was the name.

I thought claig was banned? And wasn't there speculation that there was more than one person operating the account? He/she started ranting about supporting Le Pen and I think that was the ban wasn't long afterwards.

But mn is such an obvious site to place influencers. There will be loads of them at key times.

Of course Dittany! She was banned too I believe. Being banned from mn is sometimes the opposite of being discredited.

why does everyone think claig was a fake account - she was here, as I've said, years. Supporting Le Pen doesn't make someone a troll. Look how Macron has turned out.

I wasn't, and am still not, clever enough but I tend not to let that stop me from laboriously attempting to spell out my thinking and reasoning about issues.

I have multiple posts in a row now - that must irritate the tits off of some posters but I'm afraid that's how my mind work. X. Oh and y. Ooh and that reminds me of Z lol

Oh, I know claig was here for years. Giving advice about private schools that, I suspect, they'd just looked up. I just assumed it was a Piers Corbyn type.

Then what's with the he/she and claiming it was several posters using the same account? Unless her account was hacked after I distanced myself from mn that just doesn't ring true at all for me.

I'd be interested to know what she was posting about at the time she got banned. Don't know what it's like recently but I can remember a few bannings that didn't fit with the rules or usual approach

Claig was a prolific pro-Trump poster, who disappeared more or less over Christmas 2016 to NY 2017, at the same time as other prolific pro-Trump posters on the same threads. Make of that what you will.

Their rants and barrage of copy paste articles was entertaining to watch.

I called a poster a stooge yesterday, and they did not dispute it or deny it!

Perhaps they just couldn't be bothered.

I'd be interested to know what she was posting about at the time she got banned.

A search said Nigel Farage interview by the BBC

Or maybe not everyone shares your politics? Tories did win the GE with a big margin.

But mn is such an obvious site to place influencers. There will be loads of them at key times

They can be so obvious they put you off reading their posts instead of drawing you in and giving you something to think about.

I don't think that the Government has paid stooges. There's enough people out there with a mindset that the leaders are right whatever they do. They'll back them whatever.

If someone disagrees with Gov policy and shows statistical or scientific evidence, I have noticed that people will cry out shouting ''fake news''.

I have seen scientific data being questioned here by numpties who can't even follow the instructions on a pot noodle. I think unfortunately a minority of people are too busy expressing their opinions and not reading the facts.

Worst still, a lot of people, including the Government have not been looking at what is going on around the world and how different nations have coped with the pandemic. All to often I've heard people say ''you can't compare the UK with other nations''.

I live in Thailand, 70 million population. Covid 19 infection rife.
Lots of infection - I've been infected. First infection 13th Jan. Loads of chinese tourists. Lockdown crap, testing really crap, social distancing - appalling.

Total deaths in Thailand = 56, yes that's fifty six.
This is legit - no mass graves, no care home crisis, no lack of ventilators etc.
There were more road traffic deaths here yesterday.

The BBC said yesterday that Thailand's low death toll is thanks to the excellent testing, tracing and tracking.

No matter what the Government is telling you, there is much more to this pandemic than appears on the daily briefings

Lweji Thu 14-May-20 01:58:04
Claig was a prolific pro-Trump poster, who disappeared more or less over Christmas 2016 to NY 2017, at the same time as other prolific pro-Trump posters on the same threads. Make of that what you will.

Thanks - I missed all that. I think I was living overseas with crappy and expensive internet around that time.

On a vaguely on topic note it's 'interesting' (new favourite word) that countries with more dictator like governments seem to have expensive and shit internet access despite subsidising food, fuel, transport etc.

I think if anyone's being paid to post it's more likely to be the multi millionaire global business owners and party donors.

The ones who can afford to gamble with (other people's) lives and the economy.

From a safe distance on private islands or strictly locked down Monaco. Safe themselves from Covid and financially secure enough to risk further economic disruption and a slower long-term recovery.

I do think there is something in this. Lots of teachers noticed fake accounts, bots and trolls springing up the minute we started questioning plans for schools. Not just on Mumsnet but across a whole range of social media platforms including Twitter. This sort of ‘strategic communication’ smacks of the Cambridge Analytica scandal and is leaving a bad taste when teachers are, quite rightly, just wanting to ensure a safe return to school.

Though you don't have to be as far away as Monaco for that or be a multi millionaire global business owner. Owning your house and gardens outright and having money to live on without worrying for multiple years would do.

The difference between a home owner (talking outright owner here though people with mortgages are also in a relatively advantaged position) with 50k in the bank and a mum renting and with a few grand in the bank but essentially living off of her wages each month is huge.

Meaning you don't have to be on a literal private island to be detached from economical and health risks.