Seems like a lot of people have ended the lockdown themselves this weekend....

[Smithtylater]

I went to work today (am on maternity but returning on Monday) to meet my manager (NHS, working an on call weekend shift). I drove past Hampton court for the first time since i have been on maternity leave. You would have thought it was a normal sunny weekend day? Ice cream vans, hoards of people all close, hundreds of people on bikes, people sitting with their feet in the river, kids running around.
There is loads more traffic, more people around and even my own brother has gone 3 hour drive up North for a 40th birthday party?! I was angry at him and he said that the host said that the lockdown is 'ending tommorow so what is an extra day'?

I have seen on twitter about London Fields today (literally 1000s of people sitting there) and lots of people are under the impression its all ending on Monday ?!

But can you really blame people when you look at the headlines of all the papers? Boris should have adressed the nation before the weekend imo.

[JinglingHellsBells]

@imsooverthisdrama But you were talking about yourself, as you mentioned your child with special needs and how they would be upset. Or did I imagine that?

I think you need to start to understand that everybody has different circumstances and difficulties and we all are doing our best and not everything is black & white .

Nope that is not what I need to understand at all. The rules ARE black and white but too may people think they don't apply to them!

You need to understand that there is not 'one rule for you' and 'one rule for Mrs brown next door' and 'one rule for Mr Smith 2 doors down'.

That's how it spreads. Each person or family thinking they are a special case and it's fine to adopt a personal version of the rules.

[tartanbow]

ultimately, jingle and catpoo, you cannot police what others are doing so everything you are saying is wholly irrelevant.

I sat well over 2m away from my mum because I suffered a series of anxiety attacks and gave a young baby to look after. nothing I did endangered anyone else - you can both frankly shove your opinions where the sun dont shine if you have a problem with this.

You dont protect my mental health or my family - I do

[Oblomov20]

Rules don't apply to some?

[TheCountessatHotelCortez]

@LilacTree1 I think an approach akin to Sweden’s could have been taken in Scotland. Like @Nanalisa60 my rural area of Scotland has very few cases, 30 odd deaths and Less than 5 in intensive care at any one time and yet we are locked down just the same as cities with a lot higher cares? I work in frontline nhs which has been changed irreversibly, we were told we would get an influx of patients coming home to die with covid which never happened thank god but that was 7 weeks ago and we are still not taking non essential patients on, now we are being told we are preparing for the 2nd wave. Getting a bit fed up with it to be honest even though I love my job, patients are being failed spectacularly and I’m tired of having defend everything non covid related

[Bluebellpainting]

@JinglingHellsBells the rules are really not black and white. The fact that the government has had to clarify them time and time again proves that. We had the Michael Gove fiasco of children moving between two parents, how often you can shop- some people take that to mean once a week, others every few days, then there is what is essential- alcohol, Easter eggs etc. Some people reading that you can only leave the house once a day meaning that you can either exercise or do a shop that day. What about nannies- they can’t work from home so are going into households, some people say that isn’t allowed. You only have to look at the number of posts on this website saying can I do X? Then lots of differing advice. Rules are always going to be open to interpretation and it is only going to get worse. Particularly now the message is going to shift from stay home to stay alert. So no they are not black and white.

[CrowCat]

Good. It's time people started taking their freedom back seeing as the government are living keeping us in the dark.

[CrowCat]

You don't protect my mental health or my family - I do.

Well said tartanbow

[LilacTree1]

Countess “ and we are still not taking non essential patients on, now we are being told we are preparing for the 2nd wave. Getting a bit fed up with it to be honest even though I love my job, patients are being failed spectacularly ”

Shocking isn’t it.

Pp said about the demo in Germany maybe anti 5G

Could you really get that number of protesters for that?! I’d be surprised. My guess would be that people want their lives back.

[ScrapThatThen]

The Brits by and large have been highly compliant, yet pictures of a PCSO talking to someone sitting on Brighton beach appear in the international press, while big protests elsewhere are hardly covered. We love to hate ourselves I suppose, and the rest of the world loves to join in.

[womanvsfood]

In my view the rules are purposely open to interpretation to nudge those who are happy to pragmatically risk assess, at the same time as reassuring those who are more wary.

We've all actually been a lot more compliant than the gov were banking on and they may now have a problem getting us out of lockdown. I saw it expressed the other day along the lines that they are worried that if they ease restrictions too quickly it may be like holding a party where no one turns up. The political risk is huge.

[LilacTree1]

woman I sort of agree but if fines are going up I’m even more worried. We need solid rules or the police will be handing out fines that very few can afford.

[Nanalisa60]

TheCountessatHotelCortez

I have quite a few friends that work for the NHS , they are all getting very worried about the people with other conditions that are not getting treated at the moment.

Like you were told that there would be lots of covis19 patients that just has not really happened, yes of course people have died and that’s very sad.

But it’s will be also be very sad when people die of Cancer, heart attacks, And other conditions,that might have been prevented if we weren’t just only worried about the virus.

But we have really all be so good at staying in and living to the rules that the virus has not really taken hold in my health board area, but how many will die because of other treatments it getting done!!

I have no faith in a virus been ready for a least a year and let’s face it we can’t all just stay at home until one is found.

[steppemum]

Our street had a VE day party on Friday.

We all sat in our front gardens and toaste deach other at a distance. Then we stood at 2 m and chatted with neighbours up and down the street.

What was veyr noticeable though was that as the afternoon/evening wore on and peoepl ahd more to drink, the distancing got more relaxed and more people started to congregate.

It was veyr noticeable as there were a few of us who really stuck to it, our neighbours turned down an invittation to join some others further down the street where everyone was gathering, cloer and closer.

There will be a big spike in cases think, in the next 2 weeks.

On th eother hand, some veyr interesting stuff in the paper today about transmission outside, and they think that there is very very low transmission in the open air. So maybe we should stop worrying about it?

[imsooverthisdrama]

@JinglingHellsBells yes I was talking about my child but when did I say I was breaking the rules or that the rules were not black and white . I said everybody has different circumstances not everything is black and white I didn't say the rules are not black and white .I'm just explaining that my child has Sen , I can't be arsed to talk about him to you because you refuse to understand that things are difficult for others .
Getting on my nerves that you have picked on my post when so many others have said about mixed messages too .

[yogz1976]

why do you think you know better than SAGE (for example)?

Mystic Meg could have done a better job than that joke of a maths geek and cheerleader of the lockdown Neil Ferguson.

[tartanbow]

and let's not forget that Neil Ferguson broke the lockdown himself - how can you expect others to take it seriously if the very people who put forward this module dont. what a joke

[TheCountessatHotelCortez]

@Nanalisa60 exactly but I think NS would gladly keep up in lockdown till next year if she could get away with it, her paper said that Christmas this year won’t as we’ve ever known, I hope she doesn’t think I’ll be staying away from my family over Christmas because I won’t, my parents are 50s no underlying health conditions. My parent in laws are a bit older one with diabetes type 2 but one is still working as a key worker so hardly stopping the risk of it being taken to their house.

At the end of the day I’m not bothered about going to restaurants etc really although am missing going out with friends etc I can live without they for a bit longer I just want to visit my family and go to the hairdresser

[Stopmenow123]

@Bluebell painting. We were never told there was a limit of how many times you could go to the shops. Nor that you could only buy essential items. Or that you could only go out once a day.

Where do you think you read this? It was never true.

[starray]

"But the message up until now hasn't changed. Unless we're watching different daily briefings.

The media , all media has been a disgrace. They're the ones distorting information to suit their own agendas. This is both on tv and in newspapers.

People are arrogant in this country. Very very arrogant. They've had enough of
Lockdown, break the rules yet still blame the government.

People moaned lock down wasn't early enough, yet are breaking the rules , and are desperately putting pressure on the government for an exit strategy, which is absolutely fruitless as statistical changes happen all the time with this virus.

Then, in a few weeks time when numbers spike in infection rates due to the twats all flouting the rules this weekend, it'll be the governments fault all over again.

They can't fucking win."

Agree with this totally.

[Nanalisa60]

When we went into lockdown we were told it was to protect the NHS from getting overloaded with Covid patients, and to get ready for people getting it!! you remember that why they spent millions on but these nightingale hospitals the are basically sitting there empty!!

Now I don’t think for one minute that the government thought we would all be so good at staying at home so the virus has not really spread anywhere nearly as bad as they thought it would.

So now we are in the position that there are whole parts of the U.K. that will have no heard immunity,

We can’t all stay home until the vaccine is found, so they have to start let us get on with life.

Obviously those over 80 and with underline health problems and need to shield will have to stay at home until they get the vaccine.

But they rest of use will just have to start getting on with life and take our chances.

[Bluebellpainting]

@Stopmenow123 I never said there was a rule you could only go out once a day but was using it as an example of how the rules are open to interpretation hence are not black and white as @JinglingHellsBells said. 6 weeks ago people on this forum were saying that you couldn’t go out more than once hence the rules are clearly not black and white.

[CoronaLonaSad]

Well Borris and the press haven't helped by suggesting lockdown will ease tomorrow and we'll all be allowed out to the parks etc.. people are just bringing this forward two days ...

[LilacTree1]

Apparently Nuremberg went for it too!

twitter.com/DerLuegenbaron/status/1259208471079198721

[Mynydd]

Anyone read today's article about Greece today? 150 deaths. They are staring at Britain with confusion and sorrow wondering how we got it so utterly utterly wrong. There is another option aside from the fucking pointless stupid message of 'live with the virus, lock up the vulnerable, let us out of lockdown' that we see here and in America. It was to lockdown early, ban large gatherings, test and trace, and comply. Other nations have managed it. We chose the other option.

We have the highest death toll in Europe. We are being badly led but also being made to believe that lockdown is the enemy. The fucking virus is the problem here. That is what is going to cause the economy to suffer and lives to be lost. Lockdown is the measure we take to limit the loss of life.

Do people really think that every single government is wrong? That we're being put in lockdown for fun? Because the conservatives want to be at the helm of the economy going down? Don't you all think if there is another way we - the global we, humanity - would be doing that instead?

[OhTheRoses]

@mynwydd
Yes death rates in the UK are high but we are including all deaths, ie, with not of as in Germany.

The UK also has a higher population than elsewhere in Europe and look at the size of capitals:

Milan