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Thousands of renters could be evicted in June (including the key workers being clapped for every Thursday night!)

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HeIenaDove · 08/05/2020 14:46

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/08/renters-evicted-june-tories-pledge-coronavirus-landlords?CMP=share_btn_fb&fbclid=IwAR0nPQ-wVVrlowha9KgZIlrX2VeoYVXKTAN7pJkp2QfFtrFP3_yCGzp93to

Thousands of renters could be evicted in June. Will the government protect them?
David Renton
The coronavirus-related freeze on evictions is ending – and the new ‘pre-action protocol’ relies on the kindness of landlords

When the lockdown ends what will happen to tenants? Almost nine million households, more than a third of all families in Britain, rent from a private landlord, a council or a housing association.

Because of coronavirus, many are now in financial need. Nearly two million claims for universal credit have been made since lockdown measures were announced in the UK. Welfare claimants are entitled to payments equivalent to housing benefit. But, as a result of changes made to benefits over the last decade (like the bedroom tax and restrictions to local housing allowance), it is increasingly rare for housing benefit to pay all of a tenant’s rent.

Others, although ineligible for universal credit, are also in difficulty: because they have received a redundancy cheque that will soon be spent, or their self-employed grant hasn’t arrived yet. Then there are furloughed workers, paid now, but waiting for news of redundancies from their employer.

Right now, all possession hearings – the main step in evicting a tenant – are “stayed”. This is the legal equivalent of putting food in a freezer. The cases are still there, ready to be thawed out at any moment.

Where a tenant is behind with their rent, landlords can issue them with a notice instructing them to leave, but (for the moment) the tenant can ignore it. On 25 June the housing courts will reopen for business. Judges will have to determine thousands of stayed pre-coronavirus cases, and the even greater number of new claims for possession arising from the lockdown

Ministers have grasped that hundreds of thousands of homes are at risk. Earlier this week the housing minister, Robert Jenrick, announced that the government was working closely with judges to draft a “pre-action protocol” for when the stay is lifted.

He told MPs that the protocol will “enable tenants to have an added degree of protection, because instead of embarking upon the eviction proceedings immediately, there will be a duty upon their landlords to reach out to them, discuss their situation, and try to find an affordable repayment plan”.

The problem with the protocol is that it is toothless – essentially depending on the benevolence of landlords.

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The two most common ways landlords seek possession are under “section 21” and “ground 8”. Section 21 provides that where a landlord has complied with certain procedural requirements (like issuing a notice using the correct form and waiting for a prescribed time before applying to court) the court must order

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The statute does not require a landlord to have complied with the government’s proposed pre-action protocol. For that reason, even where landlords have rushed to issue proceedings, and have ignored requests from tenants to defer payments for a short time, judges will be required to approve evictions.

Ground 8 provides that where a tenant is in rent arrears (eight weeks if the rent is due weekly), both when the landlord serves a notice on them and when the hearing takes place, the court must order possession.

Again, the court takes no account of the landlord’s conduct; it focuses simply on the amount of the tenant’s arrears. In these circumstances, if the new protocol is as the minister describes it, it will not protect tenants at all.

There are alternatives. In last year’s general election, the Conservatives committed to abolish section 21 as part of their “better deal for renters”. The government reaffirmed that commitment in the Queen’s speech, announcing a renters’ reform bill to include the abolition of section 21. They should be held to that promise. As for ground 8, it too needs to be abolished. Or, if that is impossible, rescinded for such time until tenants have had a chance to reduce their debts once they’re able to go back to work.

Abolishing or rescinding ground 8 would not prevent landlords relying on other grounds of possession. But, without it in place, judges will be free to order possession only if reasonable – thereby giving effect to the tenant defences the government says that it wants in place. One further advantage of abolishing ground 8 is that courts can turn to other possession proceedings in which possession orders are made but suspended, while tenants are given the chance to repay arrears to a realistic plan.

Muddling on without the abolition of section 21 and ground 8 will lead to millions of people forced out of their homes. It will send those evicted scattering – some to stay with elderly relatives, some into local authority housing (although it is at breaking point) and many into homelessness.

The government accepts that street homelessness speeds the transmission of coronavirus: this is the grim calculation that underpins the government’s granting of resources to councils to house rough sleepers. Drifting into a future where huge numbers of people lose their homes needlessly would be just as dangerous – for those who are evicted, and for everyone else.

• David Renton is a housing barrister at Garden Court Chambers

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roarfeckingroar · 08/05/2020 23:05

@Hunnybears precisely. No protection for landlords when a tenant stops paying.

Sunbird24 · 08/05/2020 23:06

I've got a tenant who was already 8 weeks in arrears on his rent when we went into lockdown, but the notice period was changed before the S21 was served. Because it's a shared house, his rent payments also cover his contribution to the gas, electric, water, council tax and broadband. He's been living entirely for free for 15 weeks now. How long am I supposed to subsidise him for? I'm lucky I'm a key worker so have job security myself for now, and morally I don't actually want to have to kick him out as I know he's not going to find anywhere else to live, but I can't afford to keep him indefinitely and the longer he stays the less chance there is of him ever being able to make up what he owes.

roarfeckingroar · 08/05/2020 23:08

@Stellaris22 if the landlord wants the property back, there's your reason. It's their property.

Stellaris22 · 08/05/2020 23:09

Renters aren't 'choosing' not to pay right now, they genuinely can't.

LLs will still have the home they live in, renters don't have that security. At the end of the day LL 'could' lose their second or third property (their risk to take, not the renter), they aren't facing homelessness. The lack of empathy here is not pleasant.

roarfeckingroar · 08/05/2020 23:12

That's awful @Sunbird24 . Sorry to say it but I doubt you'll see a penny.

Stellaris22 · 08/05/2020 23:12

@roarfeckingroar they didn't as it went straight back on the rental market. Again, we did nothing wrong either of these times. Never late on rent, secure jobs and never an issue with inspections.

They kept our deposit too, so that was a nice bonus for their investment.

Gingerkittykat · 08/05/2020 23:13

At least renters will get most of it paid by UC

Are you serious? Look up UC housing rates for your area and then compare them to the actual rents being charged.

Babyroobs · 08/05/2020 23:26

At least renters will get a good proportion of there rent paid though. Wheras if you have a mortgage and sudden get made redundant, there is no help on UC for a mortgage until you have had no earnings for nine months by which time you have lost your home. If no-one in the family is working you lose out on the higher work allowance also. So say you have a couple and two kids you might get about £1000 UC per month but say you have a £600 a month mortgage, it's not a lot left to live on is it ?
I agree rents may be extortionate in some area but not all.

HeIenaDove · 08/05/2020 23:28

The Dover House Estate was built post WW1

In 1919 the local middle classes didnt look favourably on it. They complained it would depreciate the rateable value of property in the area.

Not everyone was pleased about this despite the Homes For Heroes promised by Lloyd George in the previous years general election. Well they didnt want it on their doorstep anyway.

Post WW1 Post Spanish flu attitudes changed.

You can see this happening again with key workers now already.

There have already been attempts to change the narrative.

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Hunnybears · 08/05/2020 23:30

@Stellaris22

What an ignorant post. If you’re definition of rich means owning a 2 bed flat where the mortgage is £750 and the rent is £650. Yeah absolutely loaded 🙄🙄🙄

goldfinchfan · 08/05/2020 23:31

Someone should ask Queen for advice.......she who is so "cool" and never has to worry about rent

CloudsCanLookLikeSheep · 08/05/2020 23:33

LLs will still have the home they live in, renters don't have that security. At the end of the day LL 'could' lose their second or third property (their risk to take, not the renter), they aren't facing homelessness

That's rubbish, I rent out a property which would, if I lost my job (very possible) pay for the mortgage of the property I live in plus all other bills, food etc. No other income. Cannot claim UC. Cannot take mortgage holiday as only just changed provider.

So if my tenants were allowed to not pay rent, I'd likely lose my home. Yes, I'd have the flat but it's not suitable to live in as a family and I'd get sod all for it at auction.

I'm sorry for any renters who lose their job but you can't screw Peter to save Paul.

B1rdbra1n · 08/05/2020 23:35

the queen's got loads of money and loads of empty properties she can put everyone up until the crisis is over
she's our queen therefore all her property and money is ours too
job done ✅
thank You Queenie for being such a good sport

Stellaris22 · 08/05/2020 23:36

I never said rich. Simply that having more than one property is a luxury when most people can't afford to purchase property themselves. I'm sorry if you feel that I came across as ignorant, simply that it is very hard for those renting even at the best of times.

If by ignorant you mean I don't know what it's like to rent out properties, then sure, I'll accept that. That's a luxury I can't afford.

Hunnybears · 08/05/2020 23:39

@Waxonwaxoff0

but if you're borrowing money to buy a second property that risk is your own. I wouldn't buy a property then rely on money from someone else to pay for it, because you never know what could happen. If I couldn't afford the payments myself I wouldn't buy it.

Are you actually suggesting that a LL should make sure he can pay his own mortgages (hone he lives in) and that of the tenant- incase the tenant can’t pay then he will have to pay? (To make it easier if the tenant because it wasn’t their fault the LL took ‘the risk’ and bought a buy ticket mortgage??

No- irl tenant is served an eviction notice and LL seeks tenants that do pay. If it’s non paying tenant after non paying tenant then he’ll probably decide to cut his loses and sell up as it’s not worth the hassle.

Problem is with that it just means that there’s one less property on offer to rent so pushing up prices (in greater scheme)

Stellaris22 · 08/05/2020 23:40

@CloudsCanLookLikeSheep so you rely on someone else to pay for your second property and the one you live in?

It sucks, it does. But you shouldn't be relying on others to pay your mortgage. Focus on the home you do have if it's getting that bad. It really is difficult to sympathise with that when people right now are choosing between paying rent or food.

CloudsCanLookLikeSheep · 08/05/2020 23:43

D'oh @Stellaris22 I'm not relying on the rental income to pay my mortagage, my salary is for that. But perhaps you have heard that we have a severe global recession on the way and that many people are at risk of losing their jobs? I am one of many such people.

B1rdbra1n · 08/05/2020 23:46

We need emergency legislation/emergency measures to make sure that people don't become homeless during this crisis
The laws around tenancies and letting may be manageable/functional in normal times but at the moment they are counterproductive/dysfunctional.
If we let people fall into destitution, if we let families fall into destitution during this crisis then we will only amplify the pain and suffering

Hunnybears · 08/05/2020 23:47

@B1rdbra1n

**If the tenant can't pay then they can't afford to pay the mortgage and the house is gone
the house is not 'gone', it will still be standing, the landlord will have to sell up.
Hopefully at a reduced price for a quick sale, that way that working people with families can have a chance to invest in their own futures instead of working to fund someone elses future.

Landlords invest in property in order to make a profit.
They make additional income by having someone pay to use the assets that they have borrowed to invest in.

LL took a gamble, it didnt pay off ...gamblers dont always win**

Well obviously gone from the landlords posession.

Ironically a family may well buy it but that means it’s not available to rent so when demand outstrips demand that pushes up the prices even further do not necessarily helpful to tenants either....

Look what what happened when Thatcher sold off the council houses. Fab in theory, the poor in society get on to the property ladder all is well, until it’s realised that there’s no hoses left to rent out.....

B1rdbra1n · 08/05/2020 23:49

Clouds, if you lose your job you still have a property that you can sell, an asset that you can liquidate to raise money.
If the tenant loses their job they have no income and no assets that they can liquidate to raise money.
If these jobs were being lost through individual fecklessness or bad management then of course we should not bail people out, there is an element of moral hazard to take into consideration but the virus isn't anyone's fault it is a global crisis.

Hunnybears · 08/05/2020 23:50

At least renters will get most of it paid by UC.

In parts of the country maybe. In others, rents are higher than mortgage repayments for similar properties but people can't buy due to poor credit ratings

But what’s that got to do with whether or not people get UC. The other poster had a point. If you’ve got children and lose your job you’ll get help if you rent. They don’t pay your mortgage.

LangClegsInSpace · 08/05/2020 23:55

That's a very badly written article but it's fair to say the protections for renters are not all they were cracked up to be.

S21 is supposed to be going anyway so why not now?

Northernsoullover · 08/05/2020 23:55

Those of you with a BTL property... can you say why you bought it? Was it philanthropic? Or was it the hope of it being your pension? Maybe once its risen in value you'll just sell it on for profit?
As for the poster who said its not the landlords fault the tenant can't buy it might not be directly but it sticks in my craw that 'investors' (the clue is in the word ' investor' here ) are now buying in the areas that were previously affordable so it is becoming less and less affordable for the hard working key workers to purchase. So yes, indirectly it is the landlords fucking fault too.
I was watching HUTH the other day. The charming investor had bought a run down terrace in the valleys. After being covered in grey carpet and a swanky new kitchen the new valuation was probably at the top for the area. Out of curiosity I looked on rightmove to find that they had put it on for 20k more than the top valuation. If thats not greed what the fuck is?
I appreciate I'm going slightly off topic here as this is a flip rather than a rental but its all linked obviously.
Anyway this went on the market just before lockdown. I hope the situation truly bites them on the arse.

CloudsCanLookLikeSheep · 08/05/2020 23:55

@B1rdbra1n, why should I have to sell my property for a fraction of its rental value (short leasehold) and lose a lot of future income? Income that is much needed as my partner cannot work and I have a family to support. And there's no telling when this blasted recession will end, it could drag on for years.

Thank god Jeremy Corbyn never came to power is all I can say.

CloudsCanLookLikeSheep · 08/05/2020 23:59

Those of you with a BTL property... can you say why you bought it?

Technically I suppose it's not a BTL property.. it was bought to live in by my partner, before he met me. When we did meet many years later, we were able to buy another property and rent out his. Its enabled him to be a SAHD, and he currently cannot work. So it's been a bit of a lifesaver really as life on just my (modest) income would be rather much worse.

Not really the answer you were looking for I suppose.