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Is it time to Free the healthy and shield the vulnerable

111 replies

Alex50 · 07/05/2020 08:13

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52543692

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bellinisurge · 08/05/2020 08:14

"The vulnerable " in your op means "the expendable ". People who's own feelings of isolation and stress don't matter.

AlecTrevelyan006 · 08/05/2020 08:34

Targeted efforts on protecting the most vulnerable groups is the exact opposite of not caring about their feelings of isolation or stress

attackedbycritters · 08/05/2020 08:48

It depends if the targeted efforts to help them are actually trying to help them or just trying to shove them out of the way

There are two ways to help the vulnerable
Lock them away and let everyone get on with their lives
Get the virus strongly controlled so everyone can get on with their lives

It takes a few more weeks of lockdown and then an ongoing effort to achieve the second approach, but it's a damn sight fairer

RedToothBrush · 08/05/2020 08:49

We can't stay in lockdown to protect a small number of vulnerable misses a huge problem relating to the economy.

International trade.

Whilst we might be happy to let coronavirus run riot and burn through our entire population, that's certainly not true internationally.

We risk being cut off as international pryors if we don't make proper efforts to control the spread.

Because other countries do care about their vulnerable more than we appear to.

France has previously made noises about closing the Channel Tunnel if we don't get a grip of the situation because it had the potential to undermine the effectiveness of their lockdown.

Do we really want to end up in a position of begging for (expensive) food parcels from Don? And being unable to export to many other countries because of concerns about the virus?

How damaging to the economy do we think this would be? Sure we'd have a nice enemy to blame and someone heroically saving us, but it wouldn't exactly be in the best interests of the healthy workers and our economy in general to put it mildly

bellinisurge · 08/05/2020 09:31

@AlecTrevelyan006 and then giving it up because it's booooring and "toooo haaaard" is exactly a sign of not giving a shit about their stress

B1rdbra1n · 08/05/2020 09:59

Begging for expensive food parcels from Don
Certainly I can see that we risk becoming pariahs, the dirty man of Europe but the USA is on track to become the dirty man of the world

AlecTrevelyan006 · 08/05/2020 10:24

@bellinisurge despite the mantra that 'everyone is at risk' it is now clear that this simply isn't the case. Therefore continuing to apply a blanket solution to a multi-faceted problem is not the best way forward. I believe it was right to introduce lockdown, but now as the situation is changing we need to relax lockdown generally while targeting resources on protecting those who are most in need.

And, just because we can't relieve the isolation and stress of everyone doesn't mean we shouldn't do so for some people.

MereDintofPandiculation · 08/05/2020 13:09

And, just because we can't relieve the isolation and stress of everyone doesn't mean we shouldn't do so for some people. But you know that what will happen is that the vulnerable will just be forgotten about, and no efforts will be made to make it safe for them to resume their lives.

bellinisurge · 08/05/2020 13:44

And then people who thought they were invulnerable, like our PM, will get it and pass it on with the same careless abandon before it kills someone.

bellinisurge · 08/05/2020 13:50

It is soo bloody ironic that we are praising the VE generation and then abandoning them in care homes without ensuring proper PPE for the people who provide day to day care for them.

MereDintofPandiculation · 08/05/2020 14:54

It is soo bloody ironic that we are praising the VE generation and then abandoning them in care homes and discharging Covid patients from hospital back into care homes where there is almost no chance of isolating patients and avoiding it spreading to everyone else.

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