66% of New Yorkers admitted to hospital lately had been staying at home

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www.forbes.com/sites/lisettevoytko/2020/05/06/majority-of-new-coronavirus-cases-in-new-york-are-from-people-staying-at-home-not-traveling-or-working/amp/

Where on Earth are they catching it from then??

Small apartments in huge apartment buildings with communal (e.g. laundry) services. Many workers cant afford to stop work or their kids will starve and their landlord will evict them.

Difficult to self isolate Cotswolds style in those circumstances.

*workers being those who may spread it to others "isolating" in a large apartment building.

Working partners or family members, often. That's part of the reason that poorer communities have been so badly affected - more crowded housing, higher occupancy, frontline workers.
Also many of those affected are older and may have carers coming. People still go to the shops. Also, just because people have been home doesn't truly mean they've been isolating, we know a number of people, like you probably do, who would claim to be isolating but in reality have family or friends coming and going with pretty minor efforts at distancing.

You need to take the definition of "staying home" with a pinch of salt.

Many people in the UK "stay at home" but do their weekly shopping,go out for daily excercise, live in flats so have to touch several doors/buttons just to leave their building, etc

If you read it carefully (and the report, which you can further click through to) it doesn't say that they are self-isolating, it says they are not working or travelling. What this implies is that while they have stopped travelling i.e. weekends away and holidays and what not, they are still leaving the house i.e shopping, local parks etc. And it emphasises the need for hygiene, implying that his may be what is lacking. So without spelling it out and without proof what it strongly implies is that this group has not complied on social distancing and handwashing etc so their protective measures are partial and therefore failing them.

I wonder if it is also pollution levels , they may well have dropped at the moment but the damage to your lungs is done already .

Well it doesn’t sound like rocket science to me. Any containers entering the house (food, toiletries, parcels etc) could have carried the virus in.

Unless they are full-on preppers who haven’t had deliveries since Feb, it seems more than likely that it came in with the shopping.

I’m not staging how stuff comes in, and endlessly washing bags and packets cos it’s such a jolly lark. It’s cos it protects my household.

Couldn't that just be because people needing hospital admission are predominantly over 80 - so not of working age? A lot may need some kind of care or help, or live with others who work outside the home.

If they live in apartment blocks, going up and down in lifts used by so many other people?

I read somewhere way back at the start of all this something about the design on old waste pipes could contain and spread the virus and that was maybe why Italy and Spain were suffering do bad.

I imagine it would then be the same in NY

Yes, it's not very clear whether they are really isolating at home or not. I suppose they go out to the supermarket etc.

Just wondering what's the implications for us - we go on our daily walks but comply with social distancing, hand washing etc. I thought Jenny Harries said risk of contracting corona outdoors is minimal

@SailingAwayIntoSunrise yes in the first SARS epidemic, there was a super spreader event in Hong Kong caused by waste pipes, where a large number of people got infected. 321 according to Wikipedia

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AmoyGardens#SARSS_outbreak

We caught something from supermarket delivery i think. We havent been out even for walks. Obviously delivery was outside and we were a minimum of 1m away. He was not coughing or sneezing but may have been breathing heavily. Both dp and i got it 4 days after delivery. We wash hands after post which is quarantined. Clean the shopping etc. And wash hands after touching bins.
We are uk. May not have been covid though as
All 4 of us ill.
Not feverish but i was SOB.

They did prove it can hang in the air 3h. And loads of people waltzing past our house on their exercise.

They found up to 25% immunity in nyc.
This is why we need masks. As i doubt we would have caught it otherwise and if we didnt cwtch it from delivery then it's possible we gave it to him while asymptomatic.

loads of people waltzing past our house on their exercise

The very nerve of them, going out in a public place! And unless you're vulnerable/shielding, why have you not been out for walks yourselves?

I know several people who have followed the guidelines 100% and still caught it. Many do live in flats with communal areas/doors etc. I live in a block of eight flats - two other residents work in a local care home which has been severely hit by C19. You can be as vigilant as you like (we're disinfecting door handles/buttons/communal areas regularly) but sometimes it's just not enough.

Very densely populated area with high levels of air pollution
Perfect storm
I used to think that the reason I rarely get ill is because I have a good immune system but now I think it's more because I don't travel or mix with other people very much, I'm starting to see the world in terms of high transmission zones and low transmission zones
Lung friendly air and and lung unfriendly air

areas of high transmission tend also to be areas where people are compromised because of socioeconomic deprivation

Glad someone posted this
But why the surprise?