Vitamin D3

[Inforthelonghaul]

A friend has told me they are taking D3 drops daily to make up for not being outside more. I have read a little about it and it seems like a good idea. I have found some drops on Amazon that are a daily dose of 25mcg but it says they are not for under 18s. I don’t really have the money to be buying more than one so does anyone more knowledgeable than me know if this dose would be ok for a 10 year old weighing 40kg?

Vitamin D deficiency also explains the higher incidence of death in Black and Ethnic minority populations as they are more likely to be low in Vitamin D (need to spend significantly longer in the Sun to replenish amounts)

@Tabby - there have been a few threads on this with excellent links given (as given here). MN probably helped some families become aware and actively increase their levels. Elderly people don't manufacture but D from the sun as easily as younger skin - in fact, this decline starts at around 50. Overweight and obese people are also likely to be deficient. BAME community already mentioned. I'm flabbergasted that measures to test and make the population less vitamin D deficient haven't already been implemented. That doctor's tweet is the most sensible thing I've seen for a while.
For anyone who wants a test, Thriva is one of several labs doing them online.

Belle..I've heard it suggested as a reason for that, but when the question is asked of the Government as to why bame deaths are high, this is never given as a reason I dont think. Yesterday they seemed to say that perhaps it was because of higher incidents of diabetes, and they were still looking into it.

A lot of unis and medics are also blaming blood clots as a reason for deaths too, and those susceptible to dvts and clots seem to be questioning if they should take aspirin.

"Elderly people don't manufacture vit D from the sun as easily as younger skin"

So could it just be coincidence then? Ie as more elderly are dying (for other medical reasons), when we test the blood of the deceased, high numbers have low level vit d?

None of those articles have been peer reviewed either. So literally anyone could have written them, based on their own thoughts. We have a chief deputy scientific adviser on the cobr live downing street daily update, and I dont he's mentioned vitamin d?

LWJ70

"@TabbyMumz

You are disagreeing with the medical profession

tweet from a doctor on the frontline:
twitter.com/EHermstad/status/1256411118945185793"

This is a tweet from one doctor, not the whole medical profession. I just have my doubts. As I've said, there is also a movement that deaths are caused from blood clots rather than pneumonia too. I'm sure I could easily find tweets from the odd doctor saying we should all take aspirin too.

Tabby, I have read and watched so much since this started that I can't remember where I heard that may have been the White House Briefings. I noticed the pattern in the NHS fatalities being mostly BAME and did think this must be the cause, not being on the frontline or being from "poorer areas". Its harder for darker skin to absorb Vit D (and takes longer up to 2 hours). But yup I really wish someone in the Government would say please get some Sun or take a supplement for Vitamin D. Weather permitting I march my whole family outside daily to sit in the garden like meerkats 😄 especially after reading the studies about Vit D protecting with upper respiratory tract infections.

Yes Belle, I've heard it suggested about the link between vit d and bame deaths too, but the government doesnt seem to talk about this link at all. I'm just a bit hesitant to believe we should all be taking top up supplements, until our own govt and the medical profession tell us to. The nhs only put something up this week, but it was along the lines of "take it if you arent getting out and about because of lockdown." It didnt say low vit d could cause you to die of covid. I know lots of posters have found links and studies but none of this has been verified anywhere and I'm tending to think if you believe in something, you will easily find something on the internet to back you up and none of these articles and been put to peer review.

NHS website is very clear about the dose to give different ages.

Just have a look and adjust the dose accordingly. If you can't because it's a capsule, you can take it every other day without harm to reduce a dose.

www.nhs.uk/conditions/vitamins-and-minerals/vitamin-d/

There is this response by scientists/doctors regarding vitamin d www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m1548/rr-6
" Is ethnicity linked to incidence or outcomes of covid-19?
BMJ 2020; 369 doi: doi.org/10.1136/bmj.m1548 (Published 20 April 2020)
Cite this as: BMJ 2020;369:m1548

Rapid Response:
COVID-19 ’ICU’ risk – 20-fold greater in the Vitamin D Deficient. BAME, African Americans, the Older, Institutionalised and Obese, are at greatest risk. Sun and ‘D’-supplementation – Game-changers? Research urgently required.
Dear Editor

COVID-19 (Coronavirus) mortality disproportionately impacts BAME (Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic) UK individuals, African Americans, Swedish Somalis,[1] and the institutionalised; particularly care-home residents. COVID-19 severity and mortality, appear related to vitamin D deficiency, [2 -12] helping explain higher COVID-19 mortality rates in BAME and the obese.[13]

Obesity is a strong COVID-19 risk factor, as are co-morbidities, including diabetes, cardio-vascular disease; and sedentary lifestyle; all are dependent on mitochondrial functionality (Gnaiger).[14] Fat cells accrete vitamin D.[15] The obese consistently have proportionately lower vitamin D status (serum 25-hydroxyvitamin D [25(OH)D]).[16]

Vitamin D is a secosteroid hormone with various skeletal and non-skeletal effects including regulation of innate and adaptive immune responses. Vitamin D, by binding to the vitamin D response element in various gene-promoter-regions, decreases expression of pro-inflammatory-cytokines and increases production of antiviral and antibacterial[17] proteins, suggesting an important role in antiviral innate adaptive immunity.[18] Importantly, vitamin D is also involved in renin–angiotensin system regulation,[19] which is regulated by entry of the SARS-Cov-2 virus into cells via the ACE2 receptor, leading to cytokine storms, with subsequent fatal respiratory distress syndrome"

the study I looked at:
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6135651/

DD (10) is on 1000IU a day prescribed by her endocrinologist as every time she stops taking them she ends up deficient again. Been on them for 7 years now on and off.

I bought a years supply from Amazon for DH and I a couple of weeks ago - got the 1000IU version as well.

It has been recognised- in scotland and ireland they recommend taking supplements.

We are all recommended to take vit D on the nhs website. 10microgtams because it is not in many foods and many people burn/its only in summer/only certain hours.
And think of school kids and nursery thry require you to apply it before they get to school.

Interestingly cod liver oil (used in scandinavian countries is also anticoagulant and vit d itself redices blood clots risk(as well as cytocine storm).
I actually came to vit d via looking at what prevents the cytocine Storm (also nicotine which france are trialling) and then of course it's obvious due to the BAME results and how it is not affecting countries coming out of summer as much or very hot countries. Also explains why colds are often seasonal.

Thank you it’s been interesting reading. I’ve ordered the 25mcg dose drops and will make sure everyone takes it daily except for youngest DD who will take it every other day. It may be something it may not but for £15 I’m happy to take it on the basis that it may be good for us generally anyway.

5th Vit D3 study from Belgium.

Males showed markedly higher percentage of vitamin D deficiency ..Vit D deficiency is a possible risk factor for severe infection in males. Vit D3 supplementation might be an inexpensive, accessible and safe mitigation for covid

Link :
www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.01.20079376v1