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New Zealand has eliminated coronavirus

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Porpoises · 27/04/2020 19:33

I keep seeing posters saying "well we'll all have to catch it sooner or later". It's not true. If the government had the political will and competence, they could pursue an elimination goal.

New Zealand has eliminated coronavirus, no new cases today. They locked down early, semi-closed their borders and are aggressively testing, tracking and isolating people exposed. This means they can ease lockdown with everyone safe. They will obviously have to be vigilant in case they have missed cases, but it looks like they will succeed in getting coronavirus free.

Wish I could emigrate - but for obvious reasons they're not accepting visitors right now!

www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia-52436658

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shinebrightlikea · 28/04/2020 12:59

@TheSkyWasDark not the government, but the kiwis on this thread have.

Berated the UK for getting it 'wrong' because they have eliminated (they haven't) the virus.

I think people are scared for the future and it's easier to think 'phew, would rather here than in XYZ'.

Unmentionablesandfluff · 28/04/2020 13:42

I don’t think NZ is gloating. I think NZ has approached it differently to some countries, taken action in some areas quicker than others, been lacking in other areas (been a bit too trusting of kiwis and visitors alike to self isolate on arrival comes to mind), learned from other countries as its unfolded, but has done well be in its existing position. Yes tourism is important, but it’s not the only source of income and imports and exports have continued. I do think that some posters, PicsInRed in particular, are kicking NZ unnecessarily in this thread. Yes NZ has a different population and geographical spread but you could look at other countries nearby that have made other decisions and/or loosened restrictions and how that’s going for them. Healthcare and essential workers are doing their best, and I hope whatever country your heart belongs to, comes out as best as it possibly can.

nannytothequeen · 28/04/2020 13:43

Where are kiwis berating the uk government? Where are kiwis gloating or being smug? I am sitting in Nz nervously anticipating level 3 and hoping we can continue to contain the spread of the virus. I am worried for my friends snd their families in the uk. My friends dad died yesterday. I am hoping that government support will protect some of my NZ friend's jobs. There is no room for gloating or smugness. The UK is not that important to NZ anymore. Domestic news is following what's happening in Australia and the US far more closely.

Unmentionablesandfluff · 28/04/2020 13:44

@shinebrightlikea

Genuinely please highlight exactly where I have said that NZ has eradicated Covid19.

shinebrightlikea · 28/04/2020 13:47

@Unmentionablesandfluff

it's the title of this whole thread....

Unmentionablesandfluff · 28/04/2020 13:49

@shinebrightikea

In your own words “the kiwis on this thread have” except only one person put the title on the thread...

shinebrightlikea · 28/04/2020 13:52

@Unmentionablesandfluff you asked me to highlight where 'you' said it. I didn't say you specifically did...?

I'm not scrolling through over 200 posts to count up the use of the word eliminate for you.

Unmentionablesandfluff · 28/04/2020 13:56

I feel sorry for posters like @PicsInRed and @shinebrightlikea I’ve not seen any gloating by Kiwis. I have seen a lot of misinterpretation by those who want to kick NZ. NZ isn’t perfect, neither is the U.K., the US or any country. Everyone is doing the best that they can, and when we come out the other side, questions will be asked and hopefully lessons learned.

I do hope that this awful bloody virus is conquered by all countries as soon as possible and with it whatever is turning people into toxic bitter arrogant twisted individuals is too.

PicsInRed · 28/04/2020 13:58

I do think that some posters, PicsInRed in particular, are kicking NZ unnecessarily in this thread.

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I acknowledged that NZ has factors which made lockdown potentially a necessary option for it. That is tentative agreement with the approach taken for the very reasons the NZ govt took that approach - whilst acknowledging there are headwinds and issues with the long term, that we shouldn't pre judge the outcome and need to wait and see what that ultimate outcome will be.

shinebrightlikea · 28/04/2020 13:58

@Unmentionablesandfluff

I'm not sure why you'd feel sorry for me? Please don't feel you have to, I'm in a very fortunate position.

I hope that NZA can successfully keep the virus out, everyone does.

My point was that it's too early to be deciding which countries have come out of this well and which haven't.

PicsInRed · 28/04/2020 14:00

I hope whatever country your heart belongs to, comes out as best as it possibly can.

That for me would be NZ and the UK equally - though I also wish the best outcome possible under their circumstance to any other nations suffering this disease.

KenDodd · 28/04/2020 14:24

I wish Jacinda Arden was our PM. I bet she isn't a compulsive liar like BJ.

DDemelza · 28/04/2020 14:29

I think that's harsh on PicsinRed. She's actually been rather kind to Kiwis- certinaly kinder than I am inclined to be myself, because I am one!

I have not seen any gloating from Kiwis here. It may well be if NZ gets a "proper" wave of covid19 before a vaccine is available that it will hit in our upcoming winter time and that it will be much harder to enforce a lockdown a second time, compliant as Kiwis generally are nowadays.

DBML · 28/04/2020 14:37

We are at our peak, possibly just about over the top of it. We have weeks ahead of us where we look to see the statistics come down. In 3 weeks we could be saying ‘the U.K. is getting a good handle on Covid-19’.

Countries have been hit differently and I don’t blame them for that. But there’s no point comparing a country at their peak, with another country who are a few weeks ahead. Of course we’ll look bad.

Clavinova · 28/04/2020 15:13

KenDodd
I wish Jacinda Arden was our PM.

Really? Ardern has a coalition government with New Zealand First - you are very anti-Brexit on other threads.

DDemelza · 28/04/2020 16:33

Exactly- she gave him the sun and the moon, too.

She also has some extremely racist senior ministers from her own party- Mr Phil "Chinese-sounding names" Twyford springs to mind, but he's not the only one.

mbosnz · 28/04/2020 16:57

I don't think either Brits or Kiwis should be pointing fingers when it comes to obesity, problem drinking, or the nanny state. Neither of us have any moral high ground. I've seen just as many arses overflowing on a bar stool in both countries.

And both countries are going to have to continue to grapple with the issues caused by the pandemic, both medically and economically.

At the moment, NZ is in a far better state in terms of where it's at medically. It was a lot easier for NZ to put into place the factors that got it there, than it would have been for the UK, but the fact remains that they did it in a very timely, clear and coherent fashion.

It's still in the same state when it comes to lifting lockdown (internationally), with reference to concerns about whether it's possible to become immune as a result of having the illness, waiting for a vaccine, and trying to ride out the economic impact both domestically and internationally.

I am a very proud Kiwi, who is now living in the UK. I can see the warts on my country, including terrible domestic violence statistics. I do not appreciate people from another country consistently using such issues to put the boot into my country when they have plenty they need to be worrying about and feeling ashamed about with reference to the same sorts of issues in their country.

With reference to what our economy is built on, tourism is major, but so is primary industry, horticulture and agriculture, and forestry. We also have a growing IT sector, which is increasingly appreciated by other countries, because of relatively low wages, well-educated IT sector, and English speaking. And of course, there's a fair few people all around the world that are partial to a drop of NZ wine.

mbosnz · 28/04/2020 17:14

Incidentally, I will happily call Aotearoa a pimple on the arse-end of the world, it is! I'm glad it is!

And doesn't everyone, on some level, think that their country, the one they love and call home, is the best? And it is. For them. Aussies are the same. Many proud English people, Irish people, Welsh people, Scottish people, American people, French people, Canadian people. . . you get the picture. . . think the same.

I think the pace of life is what you make of it. Some people would find an amoeba's life fast paced compared to mine, at the best of times. A person on the West Coast of the South Island has a very different pace of life, and complexity of life compared to a person who lives in the centre of Auckland. Like the UK, there's actually a great diversity in terms of lifestyles.

PerkyPomPoms · 28/04/2020 21:32

Well said mbosnz - I have lived in 5 different countries including the UK. I chose to settle permanently in NZ. Each countries has its flaws but I think NZ took an uncalled for amount of snark on this thread.

PerkyPomPoms · 28/04/2020 21:33

Ffs autocorrect! For the record every word there was spelled correctly before being ‘corrected’.

DDemelza · 28/04/2020 21:37

And doesn't everyone, on some level, think that their country, the one they love and call home, is the best?

I personally don't feel that way.

NZ is good for people with money.

eaglejulesk · 28/04/2020 21:49

We are at the very start of this pandemic - it's far too early for NZ to be gloating that it's job done and their approach is the most successful.

I wasn't aware that NZ was "gloating" about anything. The person who started this post isn't in NZ, the rest of us have been perfectly pleasant and tried to correct some of the strange views about the country - but gloating, I don't think so. We didn't say we have eliminated the virus, just community transmission, which is a different thing.

mbosnz · 29/04/2020 10:24

NZ is good for people with money.

Yes. You could say the same thing about the UK. Or Australia. Or America. Or pretty much anywhere. There are very few places in the world where it's fun to be poor.

DDemelza · 29/04/2020 11:10

No shit. But in NZ the rich-poor gap is widening before our very eyes, and it's particularly unpleasant, given how much more egalitarian it used to be. E.g. My parents were the working poor on Waiheke Island in the 70s/80s. The idea of them getting a house there now is pure fantasy.

Cherryblossomsnow · 29/04/2020 12:25

@ddemelza that is the same in the UK. I don't think it's a nz thing I think it's generational and the same for many parts of the world.