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Hospital death numbers

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Willide1 · 26/04/2020 23:25

Anyone else wondering about the accuracy of the number of coronavirus deaths recorded in hospitals? I was really shocked to hear today that a close family friend who died last week, two weeks after having heart surgery had had Coronavirus included, along with multi-organ failure on her death certificate as the cause of death. Family friend had been tested 4 times whilst in hospital (including once after she had passed away) and all tests were negative (confirmed by the consultant). When friends partner had queried the cause of death with the registrar he was told that all deaths at that particular hospital (Wales) were including Coronavirus as cause of death as they couldn’t guarantee that the test results were right. Surely this Shouldn’t be happening 😮

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BakedCam · 27/04/2020 00:32

PMK

Didkdt · 27/04/2020 01:22

What the f is PMK
I think a problem may be that the current test kits aren't accurate made in China and all that
So the negatives may be false

Sapphyr · 27/04/2020 02:05

Yes I think with this test you can get false negatives (but not false positives).

It sounds likely to me that despite the negative tests they would have had reason to believe covid was a contributing factor.

So perhaps they were displaying symptoms, or their deterioration after the operation was very similar to what they've been seeing in other Covid related deaths.

I do think it would be very unlikely that they're just jotting Covid down willy-nilly on all death certificates.

pocketem · 27/04/2020 04:36

Is this "friend" a Facebook friend? Stop getting your information from social media forwards

SquirtleSquad · 27/04/2020 05:17

Daily numbers, graphs, analysis thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/3887149-Daily-numbers-graphs-analysis-thread-6

This is a very insightful analytical look into the numbers and reporting.

WiseUpJanetWeiss · 27/04/2020 06:50

What the f is PMK

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OP it’s more likely that your friend was told that Covid-19 is included on the death certificate where the clinical symptoms indicate the patient was infected.

Willide1 · 27/04/2020 16:54

Thank you for the responses, yes that makes more sense and too the poster who asked whether this was a Facebook friend, no as I said it was a close family friend who died and the info came from her partner, also close family friend. Suggest you read the threads in future before you jump to conclusions and give unsolicited ‘advice’

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ponchek · 27/04/2020 17:06

Those graphs they produce are potentially very flawed. And they know it. Because if as is now largely certain the virus started circulating here from late December and certainly in January, then presumably there will also have been a corresponding rise in hospital admissions and deaths that were due to the virus, but we have no way of charting that retrospectively and nobody was tested, so presumably the cases were recorded as seasonal flu and other causes.

So basically the rise in their grabs pretty much shows us the rise in awareness by testing, and the actual levels of infection and death may already have been up there or higher.

I was thinking it's weird how I literally know of nobody and have heard of nobody who's had it, got it, been I'll, been in hospital, died of it. If it's such a virulent pandemic, you'd think in a city of international professionals and students, that we'd all know somebody.

And then I thought ... hang bloody on here ... 7 Jan I knew an international student who came back from Austria and was so ill with temp, exhaustion, sore throat and cough that the doctor was called. On the dot of seven days, all symptoms went. And a late teenager I know who, a week later, had the same. Again a frightening temperature and doctor called. And this went through her friends too. And then my daughter had a milder version (she's younger), also seven days.

And all in Jan/early Feb.

We won't know until the antibody serum test is up and running.

So yes, the graphs are bollocks, for a lot of reasons.

ponchek · 27/04/2020 17:08

I meant graphs not grabs. Ill not I'll ...

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