Do you think we will see summer this year?

[fourpeasinapod]

In reality, I don’t think anyone will be going abroad this summer.

But, do you think by end of June / beginning of July we will be allowed out again like the good old days (yes I mean before lockdown! ?) Will we have a ‘kind of normal’ summer? When do you think coffee shops / restaurants etc will re open?

@PineappleDanish

That might mean no pantomimes at Christmas and watching the kids' nativity play over the internet

Exactly. Which is why I said it wouldn't be a normal Christmas. I didn't say Christmas wouldn't happen.

I can’t see restaurants/Cafe’s and pubs open for some time. I can see some restrictions being lifted though. Some sports might be able to resume. Not sure about holidays in the UK or days out. Can you imagine the clamour to get to the beach or Lake District it they relax it.

@BuffaloCauliflower wow. Let's just hope that somebody who has been following the rules doesn't have to go without a ventilator if you also end up needing one at the same time because you decide to ignore the rules

That made me laugh @tiredmedic, they were the two 'summers' I had my boys. I fear me having a newborn scuppers the weather for everyone 😂

@SunFleck yep let’s hope! What a shitty comment. We are all going to get it. I may have already had it. I have followed the fucking rules to the letter for 2 months now thanks. This lockdown isn’t to stop us getting it, it never was and you should know that by now. The NHS isn’t overloaded and we won’t be on household only lockdown for the entire year because it is simply not sustainable, but social distancing isn’t going to just go away so it will stay managed. People will visit their families because we can’t live in complete fear and house arrest forever.

@Lattelover12.....well, what can I say.......apart from hoping you didn't er, get it on shall we say last August.

Things will reopen but under social distancing conditions etc I reckon, and seeing close family and friends might be made acceptable. I do think though that things might tighten back up closer to winter. In reality they know people are more likely to not conform to lockdown in the summer, and so it would be more sensible to allow certain things but under certain rules, rather than just leave everyone to go rogue.

@BuffaloCauliflower no. It's shitty to plan to ignore the rules when they don't suit you because you want to throw a family party at Christmas. If the rules are still in place at Christmas then that will be because it's necessary. The NHS is overloaded. They wouldn't be building new hospitals and asking retired people to return otherwise. And it's irrelevant if you've had it by then. Other people may not have. It's shitty to say "well I've had it, I'm ok, so screw the rest of you I'm scrapping the rules now it suits me". In addition, they don't know yet if you can catch it more than once or if you can catch a different strain.

@SunFleck it isn’t overloaded. Hospitals are in general not that busy. Yes they built extra hospitals and asked people back, they’ve barely been used because the virus has been slowed. Which was the point of the lockdown. People are still going on buses, to various workplaces. I don’t see how 3-4 houses combining for one day will really make much difference. They cannot and will not keep us confined to households until Christmas anyway, so your entire point is irrelevant.

@SunFleck If you’re happy to stay alone in your house for the next two years, you go ahead, but we’re all going to die at some point and most of us would like to actually live before we die. And if my mum is one of those who’ll die next year I want to have at least spent the last Christmas with her rather than us all hiding away in fear.

I’ve also had a PM from the OP, I’m putting it down to not understanding the site etiquette maybe? 😬

Fucks sake wrong thread!!!!!

First of all I really don't understand why people have problems with these types of threads. Things are changing all the time. I know my idea of what may or may not happen has. At first I thought we'd go into lockdown then reopen slowly until everything will be normal sometime in summer. As the last few weeks have progressed I have realised that this is not going to happen. I then thought we go in and out of lockdown, now Im not so sure about that. The government keep saying about not wanting a second peak.

Originally when lockdown was implemented I thought it would be for quite a while, then when it was extended I thought it would be less, now I think it will be a while again.

Will we get a summer? Now you could ask that any year in this country. The UK isn't exactly known for its long hot summers really.

Seriously though, I think (ATM until I change my mind for the millionth time) that we will get days out to the coast, countryside, woodlands etc, but that will be it really. We might be able to have UK holidays. Really not sure about any more than that TBH.

And I’ve followed every fucking rule and I’ll keep doing it. I’m pregnant with my first and I can’t see anyone and it’s shit. But I will not follow the rules on Christmas. One damn day. Sorry I’m not a saint. No one will be able to cope with this much longer. It’s unnatural to isolate humans

@tiredmedic - it does look to be following that pattern at the moment.

@Bad kitten, I know, we took delivery of a small motor boat end of March 07, had a wonderful April, so so May and hardly used it the rest of the summer......the marina is in lockdown and I can't get to my old sailboat, I have absolutely no doubt that the moment the lockdown is eased, it'll pee down.....I just love this latitude and the jetstream as you can probably tell.

I was reading that Dartmoor Zoo has got about a week left before they can no longer feed the animals and have to think about permanent closure.

I have family who work in the beauty industry and they are expecting to lose their jobs if this goes on past the end of June.

What will all of the pilots and air stewards do if they cannot fly well into next year?

Chiropractors? Hairdressers? People who work in hotels and run guest houses.

The world cannot stop for much longer. If all those people are made jobless, can you imagine the pressure on the economy? It’s bad now, really bad...add an extra couple of million unemployed people and it’s a disaster.

I think over the next 2-3 weeks the government will hope to see virus statistics looking better.
Then they will start letting groups of people back to work, carefully watching how this affects the statistics over another short period of time. Then they release more people back to work etc...and as different services open, we will be allowed to use them with some social distancing in place.

I bet thy way are hoping for this to be done fairly quickly...not instantly...but I think some people on Mumsnet are not going to feel comfortable with the speed of change again. But the fact is that too many people’s livelihoods are at risk not to get us back again.

Plus, if we never find a vaccine, we’re going to just start finding ways to deal with this aren’t we.

I agree, DBML

People are already starting to bend the rules - my next door neighbour - in her 80s - is always coming and going. Some tiems just for the day, sometimes she goes away for a few nights (presumably to family) and comes back for a couple of days before going somewhere else. She has groups of people round whenever she's at home.

A couple of friends who are furloughed and have only been out to one shop once a fortnight are meeting up with other friends in similar positions. They're maintaining distancing when they do but are still doing it.

Once that becomes more widespread, others will start to think, "fuck it, why not?"

There will always be those who take the rules and following them strictly - imposing even greater restrictions on themselves tha are required, and that's fine - if that's what they want to do. There are others who will interpret them loosely or ignore and then there are those (I'd imagine in the manority) who will begin to make their own risk assessments/value judgements.

But it can't continue indefinitely. People just can't afford for it to do so.

@BuffaloCauliflower

I didn't say I wanted to stay in my house for two years. I didn't say they would keep us confined until Christmas. There will be infection waves. The purpose of lockdown is to keep the total deaths/serious cases of each wave as low as possible to give the hospitals as much chance of helping as many of the seriously ill people as possible. I don't understand why you mention buses. The people on public transport are those who have no option to get to work. They aren't going to the seaside. They will release us all soon and then infection levels will rise again until a point where we will all re-enter lockdown. That is why lockdown is happening, not because we are 'hiding in fear'. If Christmas falls within the strict lockdown phase of a future wave then yes, 3-4 households merging could have absolutely massive implications for health care provision if the whole country ignores the rules 'just for one day'. So my point is not irrelevant. It's selfish and reckless to plan to ignore the rules and 'I want to live before I die' is a ridiculous reason for planning to breaking the rules. This isn't going to last forever, the experts think 1-2 years or so. You can sacrifice one Christmas party if needed. I'm sorry if your pregnancy isn't what you were hoping for but it isn't relevant with regards to the rules. We all think it sucks.

Italy are opening restaurants and bars from 11th May allegedly.... I can see us opening ours in June (with measures in place to limit tables etc)

That might mean no pantomimes at Christmas and watching the kids' nativity play over the internet

So basically the dream outcome then

I think restrictions will be eased soon. People are starting to venture out and more businesses opening up already . I think things will be very Different though. X

For people with chronic mental and /or physical illness, or other life problems missing out on many of the things people consider a real summer is their normal.

Sadly I think this year is a write-off

We usually spend all 6 weeks summer holiday in our French house. This year Imhave not even booked our tickets. I will be gutted if we can't go.