Is the fear out of proportion?

[Hotlungs]

I’m asking this genuinely as I struggle with anxiety and have a tendency to catastrophise.
I read yesterday that 99.5% of people will survive if they have the virus. Whilst I understand that people are worried they are in the 0.5% is the fear rationale? The press describing it as a ‘killer virus’ and people saying they don’t want to go to the supermarket incase they die. Obviously I’m not talking about those in the vulnerable group.
Are we doing poor risk management? Again to clarify I don’t mean the current lockdown situation to protect the NHS (which is needed) but I mean the fear of it.
We are more likely to die in our cars but we risk manager that (with precautions) to still use them. What are people’s thoughts?

I got told because I have eczema and allergies my immune response was likely to be hyper active and give me an anaphylactic shock . I’m petrified

Who told you that @Xtinalee?

I asked someone on twitter who had tweeted about a cytokine storm as a result of covid19 with people with autoimmune and they said: Eczema and allergies can induce anaphylactic shock. Direct Type I reactions are induced by direct contact with the allergen.

IgE mediates that anaphylactic shock, which is a different immunoresponse than cytokine release.

I only have mild eczema and allergies but It’s still an over active immune system so I’m really scared. 😓

Oh @Xtinalee please don't listen to randoms on Twitter. Remember that a huge number of people on Twitter are idiots.

Here's some proper info:

www.allergyuk.org/get-help/resources/1225-coronavirus-and-allergy-faqs

nationaleczema.org/ate-covid-19/

Listen to @PanicOn and look at the links. She’s right.

Some people get a kick out if scaring others. I’ve got mild eczema but I never get colds etc... one of the links almost suggest having eczema may be a good thing as it means our immune system is fighting ready. I think there could be some truth in that as my OH had the flu and I didn’t have any symptoms. I like to think my immune system hammered it 😂 @Xtinalee

Why is it "lovely" of mean to say that I would love to hear that healthy people have the same risk of dying as me?

Because it sounds like you want their risk to go up to match yours - so you want more people to have a higher risk of death....

@flameprincess cases like that are horrendous, but they are statistically quite rare - that's why it's such a harrowing unusual story. You have to remember that for everyone like that, there will be dozens who have a mild cold or nothing, and you are more likely than not to be in that group.

I used to read stories in the DM about people who's shaving cut turned into sepsis and their whole leg had to be amputated - horrible but super unlikely to happen. Horror stories make it into newspapers by virtue of being unusual.

I also read loads of horror stories on MN about smear tests, how they're agony, feel like being violated, people passing out.....and when I eventually got the guts to go to mine after delaying for many months, I felt absolutely NOTHING. Not a thing. I felt like a right mug!

Xtina oh just ignore them

I have all that and asthma.

Will you get on a car again?

Jeez, the covid hysteria. I dislike the term “grooming” when used for adults but this whole thing is making me I should reconsider it.

nuitdesetoiles "Suicide kills more people and more women die at the hands of abusive partners, but people aren't bothered about that as it's not "catching”

How is that correct?

ONS: In 2018, there were 6,507 suicides registered in the UK
There were 671 victims of homicide in the year ending March 2019. The number of female victims increased from 220 to 241

Coronavirus U.K. deaths so far: 17,337. In six weeks.

Not even close.

Total scaremongering. But to be honest, the world needs a food old human cull.

Good old**

micro yes, it does, but that’s not happening here. They’d rather do it the hard way and have everyone die of poverty instead.

As someone who is immuno suppressed I would love to hear healthy people have the same risk of dying as me.

In this case the NHS would actually be overwhelmed, and the overall fatality rate would be much higher.

I'm sorry to hear this in any case.

Selfishness drives a lot of behaviour. Those pushing for longer lockdown often turn out to be at high risk (can't say I blame them) or think they are high risk but aren't (so when the campaign shifts to inform them if this instead of scaring them shitless, expect a shift in opinion about lockdown)
Similarly, the posts from people already on UC crowing over those now having to claim, or those who have to stay inside most of the time now happy everyone has to. A lot of people would prefer that everyone suffers if they have to.

Completely out of proportion and many people are going to struggle when restrictions are lifted and they still want themselves and their children to stay at home.

At this stage a whole lot of people have gone full 'chicken licken'
"The sky's falling in. We're all going to die"

At this stage a whole lot of people have gone full 'chicken licken'
"The sky's falling in. We're all going to die"

The second part of that should be in Capitals don't you know, if you don't put in capitals it doesn't count.

I honestly think if the media had completely ignored it, not reported it at all and the government had just done a cover-up, no-one would notice much amiss and would chalk it up as a bad flu year.

How is that possible though when medical staff are grappling with a disease that they have not seen the likes of before, undertakers have a lot more work, as do probate lawyers, bodies are stored in temporary morgues, care homes are being devastated by this and the ONS death statistics have hugely spiked?

Not to mention the fact that if there had been
a cover up, we wouldn’t have gone into lockdown and the number of deaths would be much higher?

I think that if the UK doesnt get back to work soon there will be no jobs,no pay and no pensions for a lot of people. How will that feel? It is up to every individual to take personal responsibility to guard themselves and others.

I do think there’s a lot of scaremongering

Out of the average 800+ deaths, only 20/40 are in healthy individuals and as such really those healthy are at very low risk and in terms of lockdown they could go to work. Those who are dying having underlying conditions - all of whom should be isolating or shielding to limit risk

I don't understand that mentality of wishing others had a higher risk if you have. I have another condition which is high risk also but would never wish that on others must be in a pretty bad place to be thinking like that.

I don't understand that mentality of wishing others had a higher risk if you have. I have another condition which is high risk also but would never wish that on others sad must be in a pretty bad place to be thinking like that.

I know its like saying if I've got to go I wanna make sure I take a lot of others with me.

I can understand its not nice to keep hearing about the risks when you're overweight, or have lung or heart, or an immune system condition - but these people must have already known they were more vulnerable than the rest of us. To wish illness and possibly death on those more fortunate than you seems very harsh.

I must say I agree with the notion that it’s disproportionate for the vast majority. The way it’s portrayed it’s as if we will die if we get it. That’s clearly not at all true.

I get the 6 week lock down and hopefully after that most businesses will go back to trading pretty much normally. Any longer though and I fear we’ll slip in to a deep recession.

You can’t even get an emergency dentist appointment for god sake. If they’ve got protective clothes on then what’s the issue.

I was reading a link that a lovely MNer posted and according to the ONS the chances of anyone dying under 40 are 1 in 100,000.

I do agree those in the vulnerable group should stay shielded but not the rest of society.

My ex was dropping off my DC and the handgel was out twice and he was saying how dangerous it was etc and I told him yes to some people but not the likes of us- under 40 fit healthy. I was quite shocked at his OTT reactions.

Of course there will be the exception but that could be argued about anything. Flu for example. I googled how many people flu killed each year, he thought about 1000. It’s 17,000 and that’s of course with a vaccine so the number of deaths would be much higher if not.

My point is with reference to flu is that a lot of die catching it but to the vast majority it’s nothing more than an inconvenience

I agree with the lockdown in the short term but any longer than 6 weeks then imo the fallout that will follow will not be worth it

cvpandemicinvestigation.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/THE-COVID-19-Pandemic-Challenging-the-Narrative.pdf

I do think there are some people who are disproportionately frightened and will struggle to get back to some sort of normality. I have a neighbour in her early 40s. Neither she nor her husband have any underlying health conditions, both slim and active and working from home. She is paranoid about washing and quarantining groceries, post etc and now won't leave the house. She refuses to open any windows and her 2 boys, aged about 10 and 8, are not allowed out, not even to play in the garden. I'm very worried about them all.

I don't think the media helps, nor some posters on social media. Someone mentioned the story of the lady with the 9 year old son; I asked a friend who works in the London Ambulance Service about it and he insisted it couldn't have happened in the way it was portrayed. I'm not accusing the poster of not telling the truth, but the fact is that on social media stories are not verified, and people's anxieties can be fuelled.

I'm in London and know of only 2 people who have had suspected Corona, not tested. Both have been quite unwell but recovered. I know of 6 people who have been tested. 2 negative, 1 positive but no symptoms, 1 mildly unwell, 2 hospitalised. One of those hospitalised recovered well and was discharged quickly, the other sadly died.
It's not a nice illness, but many will recover.