What do the anti vaxxers think is actually being put in the vaccines?

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Serious question

This current situation is what the world looks like without a vaccine for Covid 19, do you reckon they like it?

I've seen at least one of them suggest that COVID-19 was deliberately created by the government/big pharma/whoever they think "the enemy" is, to get us all requesting vaccines and thus feeding into "their" plan to control us

As for the "anti-vaxxers lite" - the ones who don't think they're a control technique, but do believe MMR causes autism, etc - I think they actually fully understand the benefits of vaccination; it's just that they want to benefit from herd immunity, rather than be vaccinated themselves. Of course, if everyone was that selfish...

Attacking the devil is a documentary on netflix about the thalidomide scandle.
Awful story, very hard to watch in places.

I'm undecided about the vaccine for corona, whenever it becomes available. My reservations are not because of some unhinged far out crazy theory but because historically there can sometimes be unthinkable and unexpected side effects to new medicine.

@ohioohioohio thalidomide is the drug. It is actually still used as an anti cancer drug. There are loads of good articles around on what happened in relation to birth defects if you have a google.

@OhioOhioOhio i agree there. Im vaccinated if i ever have kids they will be vaccinated but until the corona vaccination is out for a few years and we see the actual results longer term than what they are suggesting (anywhere between seotember and 18 months) i wont be having it. I was ine of the first girls to get the hpv jab when it was 3 needles now its only 2 and i know of a few girls who ended up with narcolepsy and immune system problems.

That doesnt make me anti vax, just some one cautious about injecting something into me that could have longterm complications. I think a lot of people feel that way.

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I just saw this on someone’s fb page. It might give some clues in the ingredients section.

Op, if you are serious then don’t ask mn. Ask on an anti vax forum like Arnica and they will happily help.

My mother’s generation were recommended Thalidomide as a cure for morning sickness. Luckily she didn’t take it but I knew children at school whose mothers did.

No, definitely don't ask or look for good vaccine discussion on here as you are supposed to follow the pro-vacc train of thought blindly. NEVER EVER question vaccination here!

Interesting conundrum isn't it - some people want to wait to see what the side effects are for a few years before having any vaccine that may be available.

If everyone takes that approach - we should stop the effort to find a vaccine now as there will still be no data.

Maybe the point is that they don’t know what’s in it and won’t know the long term effects of what’s in it, and that’s why they don’t want to have it.

Which I totally understand. And as I say everyone thinks like that we still won't know will we.

Some of them conspiracy theorists have some very, erm, interesting ideas.

I get angry about the anti vaccine rhetoric because I am still hurt by the MMR/Autism link lies, for reasons I can't be arsed to go into.

What I can't understand is, while people worry about demonstrably safe vaccines such as MMR, pregnant women are still being prescribed harmful drugs.

One epilepsy drug was given to pregnant women for decades despite causing neurological disabilities in their babies. I was offered it and took it briefly but it didn't sit well and I stopped.

I don't know why anti vaxxers don't concentrate on stuff like that, where they could do some good.

@NailsNeedDoing if you can’t see the issue with that then....

Those wanting to wait are expecting the rest of us to get the vaccine and potentially take the side effects so that they can make an informed decision. If everyone thought the same then no one would ever take up the vaccine.

I'd be interested to see a poll of the general public of whether they would have the vaccine or not (there may be one...if no thought about it before this thread!)

*i'd not 🙄 not if no

There's another thread going about this - the OP thinks the virus is man made and says they won't have the vaccine..

No vaccine please www.mumsnet.com/Talk/coronavirus/3883589-No-vaccine-please

"The horrific track record of Bill Gates' vaccination programs" for people who think he makes them himself in his basement.

I was just about to write about Thalidomide but see others beat me to it. The amount of deaths and life changing illnesses / awful side effects that can be caused by pharmaceutical drugs are astronomical. There is a lot of data on that. Do some research.

“The problem is that in the US they were using old vaccines that contained mercury.“

Can’t you see the problem with this statement? They used to use something they felt was safe...then they found out it really wasn’t!

No pharmaceutical drugs are ”safe” for everyone or proven to not do damage that you can’t visibly see. They should only be used if you feel any damage they could do couldn’t be any worse than what you are already experiencing. I don’t believe that anyone doesn’t know that deep down within.

I wouldn’t have the vaccine even if it had been tested for a hundred years.

"Those wanting to wait are expecting the rest of us to get the vaccine and potentially take the side effects so that they can make an informed decision. If everyone thought the same then no one would ever take up the vaccine."

And?

Should I opt to be vaccinated I'd be one of those in the first category. You have every right to choose to be a guinea pig if you want, but I have no plans to be one.

I did my PhD in a subject relating to gender and medicine, looking at the systemic gender bias within the medical and pharmaceutical industries, and the ways in which female pain is marginalised, drugs prescribed primarily in women tested exclusively in men, and drugs for conditions considered “female conditions” not adequately tested, because of the strong culture of male being the default.

The issue with thalidomide is that drugs for “female problems” like morning sickness are often not tested on women. Drugs intended for use in pregnancy are even harder, since there are obvious issues with using pregnant women as Guinea pigs. Thalidomide was never tested on pregnant women, so there was no way to predict the possibility of birth defects.

For what it’s worth, thalidomide was such a major scandal it changed the entire way that drugs are tested.

I’m currently involved in testing of a PMDD drug which is of course being exclusively tested on menstruating women, and it’s amazing how relatively little has been done in this area before.

Personally, knowing what I know about drug testing, I would have no issue taking a vaccine, because any vaccine cleared for human use will be safe. I have no concerns at all about “rushed vaccines” because that just isn’t a thing.

If you watch the documentary attacking the devil about thalidomide, it seems it was tested, on prisoners in the concentration camp at belsen, where babies were born with defects. It was tested as an antidote to nerve gas poisoning.
Other testing happened but the results were under gagging orders when the victims started to sue for damages.
They knew what it was doing but kept selling it anyway.
It wasn't intended as an anti sickness medicine to stop nausea and sickness in itself but as a sedative to calm pregnant women down, the sickness was psychosomatic you see, female symptoms downplayed as always, hysterical women its all in her head.
Its a documentary worth watching, very well made and interesting.
I would be wary of a new vaccine but all the conspiracy theories about chips and 5g are really not helping people to make informed choices.