How is Sweden and China doing now?

[Polly02]

I’ve tried looking in papers online but can’t find any updated news.

Must look at Worldometer.

But does anyone know any more than the figures?

My dh is back in China: shops open, factories open, school on staggered return, some tourist attractions open, people allowed to visit other compounds, restaurants open, local bakery and cafe open.
Bored closed to foreigners.
All Chinese returning to China must undergo 14 days of quarantine in a designated facility.
My dh was tested when he arrived back in China, 14 days in quarantine including twice daily temp checks, tested again on day 14 and allowed home on day 15.
We are in Jiangsu province.

China remains cautious regarding a second wave. Dd must stay at home for 7 days if she leaves the city (ie cannot attend school) and 14 days if she leaves the province. This is the information we have received from school and i don’t know if this is being applied everywhere.

"Seems fair to single them out to me"

Not to me, it seems bordering on racism tbh, but I've been shouted down several times for that so 🤷‍♀️

I think Sweden are doing the right thing for their country. It’s about twice the size of the UK but with a population of 9 million. A huge part of the country is very sparsely populated. Their outlook is also a lot more long term than most other countries seems to be.

They are trying to flatten the curve for as long as the healthcare system can keep up and they are doing what they are doing to avoid having second, third, fourth waves of the virus coming back during the next 12-18 months. It does have to do with the economy but without a healthy economy you can’t have a good healthcare system. They sort of go hand in hand.

A lot of the people there actually do live the same way we currently do in the UK although the foreign press are doing everything they can to make it look like the Swedes are irresponsible twats who spends all their time going out socialising. They are still allowed to go out but it’s not advised and the vast majority has chosen not to.

LoveIsLovely because China are like pants on fire lying. How could the rest of the world prepare for tens of thousands of deaths when a country with 1.6 billion people apparently only had 3,000 deaths when the virus was reaching the rest of the world? If you think about it, because it's an unknown virus and China were claiming so few deaths, somewhere like the UK could have easily prepared for just a few hundred deaths until they got the scientists on the case and found out more information from more honest nations like Iran and Italy. Everyone is recording the figures in different ways but what China did was abhorrent. They lied and left the rest of the world totally unprepared for the fact that this virus can kill A LOT of people. If they had been honest, do you not think the UK could have had more weeks to prepare, perhaps did a lockdown sooner etc? Do you really think an unknown virus that hasn't been present in humans before (this strain anyway) and is a totally unknown entity is something anyone can prepare for when they're being fed lies from the viruses original country of origin?

No one thought it would be this serious. Of course they didn't! China apparently only had such a small handful of deaths in the grand scheme of things that it was basically being labelled as a bad cold that you'd only die from if you were literally dying already but that isn't the case

Not to me, it seems bordering on racism tbh, but I've been shouted down several times for that so

Oh bollocks. 😂😂😂

It’s not racism to say it started in China ffs

China has not been singled out. The thread is about China and Sweden (read the title), so it's only expected that China will be discussed.

Well, I think the UK government is to blame for thinking they could power through as a PP said, and didn’t heed the scientific WHO advice to lock down sooner.

Why has Ireland had 365 deaths, in total only.

WHO never at any point recommended lockdown for any countries and they also never declared the situation a pandemic until the 10th of March. The UK closed schools on the 20th of March then announced a lock down on the 23rd of March. So why did WHO take so long to declare the situation a pandemic? Probably due to false figures!

I agree about the under funding of the NHS though.

Sweden has 102 deaths per million population, the U.K. has 178 and Spain has 386.

The measures that China took did not indicate that the virus was a ‘bad cold’, and still govts did not take action.
I flew from HK back in Feb: no temp checks, no data collected on where I had been, nothing. Other govts had taken action eg Australia only allowed entry from China for Australian nationals or permanent residents and they were subject to 14 days self isolation.
The uk, in comparison, did not introduce any restrictions

Sadly Sweden has the highest death rate from Covid19 per capita than ay other country in the world according to DM today

I wouldn't believe the DM LadyEloise . The WHO website has Sweden in 8th place for deaths per million and 24th for cases per million. Very similar to the UK at 5th and 19th.

All of the top 8 are in Western Europe. San Marino, Belgium, Andorra, Spain, UK, Italy, France and Sweden. But there was a big range of approaches from strict lockdown to very mild/none. So I don't know if it's the countries actions that make the difference or whether it's due to demographics, lifestyle or strains of virus.