Are you going to send your kids back in when they reopen?

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Wondering if people will send them back.
As they think only 4-10% of population might have had it. And this peak was only 4w of school.
Im not shielding but isolating as much as possible because im
asthmatic.

I hope they say attendance isnt mandatory so people who need to/want to or are still WFH can keep them home if needed.

alloutoffucks how much do you know about the mental health of people in other countries? I have lived in France, Spain and Italy and have friends in all those places. My il’s are Spanish, living in Spain. Everyone I know is struggling with it. SIL and BIL have both lost their jobs and SIL is in the middle of a miscarriage, she’s having a horrific time in lockdown. PIL’s are struggling mentally. Friends in Italy have been locked down for weeks and are going insane. Yes people are coping, just as people will cope here. Everyone is struggling though.

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I'm not sure I could cope with the death of my loved ones, because somebody can't cope with lockdown. That comes from someone with a mh illness.
Survival of the fittest, or natural selection at the end of the day.

Agreed on NPI, including from Asia on schools and SARS which wouldn’t be very popular with some on this thread.

Can you elaborate please?

Sorry - offline for a bit. Here is one review of the evidence in the Lancet. Worth reading to the end.

Dev I don't understand yor comment. You understandably don't sant to lose a loved one, but you are prepared for others too?

The wife murdered by her violent husband. The man who commits suicide because he is worried about money. The teen who has mental health issues made worse by kickdown.

You can make the choice and shield your family. You may face issues with local council re attendance at school bit its really not a big issue.

Others won't have the choice you have.

Yet its others who are selfish?

*lockdown

@HoffiCoffi13 It is being said that people in this country could not cope with a longer lock down, not that they would cope but struggle. Of course they would cope, just as people in other countries are coping.

I seriously wouldn't want to.

I’m having to send mine now with us both being NHS staff, feel guilty and like I am putting them at risk every single day.

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I don't want anybody to die, but many will and some will because of suicide, it's sad.
I have been suicidal in the past as has my dh, my teen was under CAMHS for 2 years, luckily all has been well for over a year now.
Mh issues are unbelievably difficult for people to understand, but I can see you do.
This virus is awful too, and many will die who don't have underlying issues. Children have died, it's bloody scary.

We will all sink or swim, either by the "survival of the fittest" or "natural selection". It's the way it is. Hopefully something will kick in to enable us to live be that a solution to the virus, or improved mental health.

I hope you understand what I'm trying to say, my communication skills are not an attribute.

I would weigh up carefully the evidence for reopening schools, I’d look at what similar countries at similar points in our trajectories were doing, but I wouldn’t listen to politics.

I would then make my own decision. I took my children out of school before they closed as I felt we should social distance earlier.

So yes I would send them back in if I thought it was very low risk, and I would weigh this against their need for school and friends. I have a teenager though and my fear is they will push to see friends earlier, whether schools reopen or not. I do think teenagers and young adults are the most risky groups for pushing boundaries on this first.

Other Coronaviruses normally lose virulence over summer in the Northern hemisphere

If cases drop to near-zero by late May, then I'd expect schools to reopen for the summer

• because they might have to close again for several months over winter

The economy can't survive lockdown for 2 years until there is a vaccine and nearly eveyone has been vaccinated.
Neither the government nor businesses can afford to pay people to stay home that long

People have to return to work, which in many cases means kids must return to school

The CDC recently published a paper saying the R0 of COVID is about 5,7, which would require 85% herd immunity

It looks very unlikely that vaccinating a small % of the population would be much use

Studies have shown that kids are not superspreaders of COVID - in fact their different biology means they are far less likely to catch it and hence be infectious than adults are

@indella I feel for you. But please don’t feel guilty. The chances of something happening to them is very small. I am convinced Covid has already spread through schools in London. My 2 DC I am sure have had it. And all their friends. The stories of young dying are in the media because they are very very rare. Sending

@MeadowHay very well put. I think everyone is overwhelmed. Realistically we will have to send the kids back to school. Just wait until September and see what some of these parents are saying. I do think they could be outbreaks in some schools what else can we do? I’m all for isolating however I think some people are leaving in dream world (if you are high risk medically) I can understand. We cannot be all staying at home until this time next year. What about the economy?? I personally have a job and won’t be out of a job due to the nature of my job but I do wonder about the bigger picture. I wouldn’t want to be the first to trial a NEW vaccine either... facts is COVID-19 is a globally unfortunately.

DD's school (Aus) has been quite radical and have changed to a three term year rather than the usual four terms to maximise the chances of being able to deliver the full 37 week school year mainly face to face this year. It is currently school holidays here and the kids aren't due back until 18 May instead of 28 April. DD will be going back if they are open. The school has been fantastic and I trust their decision making, if they are letting kids other than key workers' children attend she will be there, she is desperate to go back,

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Wtf! I never said it was.

Read my post!

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Bet the@ hasn't worked.

Read what I actually said before typing stuff I actually agree with.

I said the comparison was disingenuous the statement above was a quote. It's difficult ti bold it on the app.

@jassyradlett

Can you elaborate please?

Sorry - offline for a bit. Here is one review of the evidence in the Lancet. Worth reading to the end

Scientists tore that apart the day it was published though? Thought we had moved passed that.

If we just closed pubs as a single item that would not have much affect either

The UCL study is seriously flawed Science and that article is lazy journalism at best.

mobile.twitter.com/DrSamSims/status/1247445729439895555

We also cannot compare to other countries - china etc as the kids wear masks to school.

I don't know if mask wearing makes THAT much difference, but if it does then during slapping masks on the kids would be perfectly possible in the UK as well?

There seems to be some confusion about the term "herd immunity" on this thread.

The "discredited theory" of the government was the theory of seeking herd immunity as quickly as possible without putting any checks on the virus or trying to slow down its spread. Discredited because the HC system will fall over if you try that due to too many people needing hospitalization at the same time.

If we are talking about herd immunity IN AND OF ITSELF, of course it's not a discredited theory---it's something which all countries are going to have to achieve sooner or later, slowly or quickly, via disease or immunization or through a mixture of both.

Yep we've all had the virus here so I'm not worried about her bringing anything home.

@refraction You’ve just linked to a Twitter thread saying the Lancet paper is useful and a good review of what we know, but misreported in the media.

Many of the papers it references (particularly those around other coronaviruses but also those on when closures for influenza have maximum impact) don’t seem to have been challenged in the recent go-around.

I don’t disagree that school closures were probably necessary as part of the wider lockdown mix.

Other countries aren’t coping,
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It is being said that people in this country could not cope with a longer lock down, not that they would cope but struggle. Of course they would cope, just as people in other countries are coping

But surely when people say ‘we wouldn’t cope’ they actually mean ‘it would be very very difficult’? Not that we’d all just drop down dead?
People in Spain/Italy/France all said exactly the same things by the way... ‘we won’t cope’. Just like here, some are coping fine, some are really struggling and some, as per Gin96’s first link aren’t coping at all.
I know some people have it in their heads that we’re a nation of whiners snowflakes whereas our continental counterparts are brave, stoical and obedient, but actually we’re all much of a muchness.

My DC would go back in to school immediately. None of our household are In vulnerable groups, so why not? And though I have been following government advice, we are not self isolating now, 2 of the household are key workers and going to work several times a week each, so it’s not as if the household has been shut up like many. Plus I hope my office opens too - I hate wfh!