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Lockdown - was I in the wrong?

342 replies

JigsawGirl11 · 11/04/2020 16:19

So today me and DH went out for a bike ride (I will admit straight away that we didn't ride at all before lockdown and bought bikes so we can take advantage of the daily exercise a little better)

We took a bottle of water and a little packet of 6 mini sausage rolls we had in the fridge. After around 45 mins we sat down at a bench had a drink and ate the sausage rolls, police drove past once, went about 200 yards to the next roundabout and came back and told us off.

The policeman was pretty polite and apologetic, he said that we need to move on as if his Sargent saw he would fine us on the spot.

Obviously we moved on, there's no point trying to push the boundaries and I know health and the general stay at home advice is important. Personally I am a bit put out by such an infringement of what's usually a basic human right and the common sense that it we didn't have sausage rolls we prob would have been able to have a break/drink of water whilst on the bike ride.

I hope no-one is going to jump on about scold me like a child, obviously I thought what we did was okay or we wouldn't have done it but I'm interested to hear other people's opinions.

OP posts:
Actionhasmagic · 12/04/2020 00:58

People are losing loved ones! No funerals! Can’t be there to say goodbye! And meanwhile people are refusing to eat their sausage rolls at home

VanGoghsDog · 12/04/2020 01:02

It was on the news today that a man was handcuffed by a policeman in England, for being outside and bringing shopping to a vulnerable person.

As a pp said, that's not police brutality. Only someone who didn't live through the 70's could suggest it was.

And as another pp said, that is no way the full story.

Link?

I watched the news today and didn't see this by the way.

People are begging the police to handcuff them so they can post clips on social media. In fact I saw one on Twitter today that was so very clearly faked as to be laughable. Really obvious the guy wasn't even a police officer.

So, link?

VanGoghsDog · 12/04/2020 01:16

I'm also quite surprised to hear that sitting about on benches is OK in Ireland. I have a friend in Ireland and she has been shocked at how lax England has been. Even her allotment is closed, ours are not.

So, can't really compare the responses.

Thehouseofmarvels · 12/04/2020 02:05

How are rules about not stopping being enforced in rural areas? I live in a village in the middle of nowhere. If I wanted to go out and eat a huge picnic, I know places I could go and never ever be found. I could walk all day and nobody except my family would have a clue I'm not saying I would dream of breaking the rules, just that it would be easy for me to do so compared to people in big cities.

I can see why it would be a bad idea to stop in a busy central London park, packed with people on a hot day. I can see how it is easy for police to go and move people on, but not so much if someone is picnicking in a some of the fields where I live, there are so many places you could sit and eat a sausage roll.

So while people may consider that the rules apply equally to people who live in central London and people who live in an almost deserted part of Scotland, in a moral sense, in a practical sense they simply don't. Today I saw a woman sat by a river, feet in the water, miles from any houses. She could have done something much more against the rules than stopping for five minutes to eat a sausage roll, she could have spent the whole afternoon there. She probably did for all I know. I also saw people who looked like they lived on a canal boat, having a barbecue.

I just thought it was interesting reading this and thinking about how normally people in cities have so much more freedom than my village with no pub, no public transport. We have nothing much. Yet now the situation has flipped. The isolation that once meant lack of amenities and having to travel for jobs now means freedom, because there simply are not the resources for the police to be checking up on us and searching through every field in case there might be a person breaking the law by eating a sausage roll.

I'm not suggesting that we should break the rules, but people in my village will know if they do, there are not likely to be any consequences, reassurance Londoners don't have. Therefore you could not pay me to live in any city ever again.

I was just thinking it is interesting how the virus has totally flipped my concept of freedom. I went to University in London and thought, wow, now I've left, I have so much freedom. I came back to my parents, because I couldn't afford to stay post graduation, and wondered if I have lost some of my freedom. Reading this post has made me realise that this virus has meant the more rural you are the more the more freedom you have, the opposite of what I once thought.

VanGoghsDog · 12/04/2020 02:30

How are rules about not stopping being enforced in rural areas?

They're not really unless it's a place people are known to flock to. A country park near me, not a well known one and quite small, has had the car park shut and the police do go there to check it out.

In a village you'll be outed on Facebook pretty quickly though :)

Of course it's less of a risk in rural areas but the thing is, the longer you are out, the longer everyone is out, the more people are just hanging around, the more likely you are to come across someone else.

Shitsgettingcrazy · 12/04/2020 05:51

It was on the news today that a man was handcuffed by a policeman in England, for being outside and bringing shopping to a vulnerable person.

Can you link this?

Because you cant be arrested for just being outside or taking a vulnerable person with you. And I havent seen anything about this. Nor can I find it

Quite interested to see what actually happened.

How are rules about not stopping being enforced in rural areas?

It's actually the same as anywhere. Or any law/rule. If you speed but dont get caught by a camera or traffic officer, you dont get dont for it. However it's still wrong.

Given rural areas, usually, have far less police people will be able to do more without police coming across you.

Besides which, I get the impression the government doesnt want us all to comply either. Full compliance, means numbers of infection time will drop quickly. Then it's even harder to come out of lock down. They want people to get it, but in the groups that are less likely to need help.

blindmusicmum · 12/04/2020 06:17

You did what you were asked. It's not allowed here but can see why you did it.

Iamtryingtobenicehere · 12/04/2020 06:22

You know you were both in the wrong! Or are you really that ignorant that you truely believe the rules of lockdown don’t apply to you?

Very goady post op!

differentnameforthis · 12/04/2020 09:47

Exercise doesn't include sitting around eating.

Hearhoovesthinkzebras · 12/04/2020 10:47

Sitting around eating sausage rolls and claiming it's exercise probably appeals to the same people who claim darts is a sport

MonaLisaDoesntSmile · 12/04/2020 11:11

@VanGoghsDog @Shitsgettingcrazy

news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-police-apologise-after-man-arrested-for-running-errands-11972031

It seems like there were very racist undertones to it as well.

VanGoghsDog · 12/04/2020 11:27

It seems like there were very racist undertones to it as well.

I've read the article and can't spot any racist undertones, are you just assuming that?

Also, yes, it looks like he was handcuffed, but that's hardly "brutality". However, they have admitted it was wrong and are investigating.

One incorrectly handled incident does not mean we are all under a police state at risk of brutality every time we leave our house as the pp was implying.

Nonnymum · 12/04/2020 11:27

Sorry it wasn't OK. It's OK to go out to exercise but not to picnic. The bike ride is OK. But you should have come straight back afterwards.
The guidelines say you can go out for essential trips only. They are essential shopping, exercise, work if cant work from home, helping vulnerable people, or medical apointments. And your trips out should be as short as possible. Stopping your exercise for a picnic is contravening those guidelines.

Amymayapple · 12/04/2020 11:30

@Shitsgettingcrazy

You said "Because you cant be arrested for just being outside "

I think that you are being a bit naive if you think that the police aren't abusing their powers.

A man was handcuffed yesterday for just being outside in England, and for taking shopping to a vulnerable person.

What do you think about that?

Thanks for the link to the article above @monalisadoesntsmile

Amymayapple · 12/04/2020 11:32

@VanGoghsDog

Being handcuffed and being threatened with pepper spray for just being outside, IS police brutality.

Would you like to be placed against a car, with your hands behind your back, and handcuffed, because you were bringing shopping to a vulnerable person?

PrincessConsueIaBananaHammock · 12/04/2020 11:36

6 mini sausage rolls to share do not a picnic make.

Sitting on a bench might be ill advised but illegal.

Doing something else in the middle of exercising does not negate the fact that you are out exercising. Just because you stop to pee,drink,look at a squirrel, eat a frikking sausage roll doesn't mean you're suddenly out for a completely different reason.

LesLavandes · 12/04/2020 11:37

Yes you were breaking the rules. People aren't intending to be nasty. Many of us are at the end of our tether and want our lives back to some kind of normality. The rule breakers are going to prolong this crisis.

Hearhoovesthinkzebras · 12/04/2020 11:38

Being handcuffed and being threatened with pepper spray for just being outside, IS police brutality.

Really? They just walked up to a man, threatened him with pepper spray and handcuffed him because he was outside?

They didn't try to talk to him first or anything? They just ran up, threatened pepper spray and handcuffed him. Wow. Is there bodycam footage of the incident?

Amymayapple · 12/04/2020 11:41

@hearhoovesthinkzebras there is a video in the article.

@MonaLisaDoesntSmile has posted the link above.

Hearhoovesthinkzebras · 12/04/2020 11:48

@Amymayapple

I know I watched it. What I saw was a belligerent man, arguing with the police and then an angry mob gathering.

I'm just wondering where the footage is that shows the police initially approaching the man and threatening to spray and then handcuff him, simply for being outdoors.

Seems to me they threatened him because he was kicking off. Presumably they first asked him what he was doing. Why not simply explain that he was caring for a vulnerable person? Doubt the response to that would be pepper spray and handcuffs. Interestingly there's no video of the initial approach is there?

VanGoghsDog · 12/04/2020 11:59

He was not attested for going outside to take food to a vulnerable person.

He was very obviously lying that was what he was doing for a start, he was moving a tree.

The "vulnerable" person then came out to remonstrate with police officers.

I suspect his arrest was due to his horrible behaviour. But we don't see that, so we? Don't worry, the police body cams will have caught it all.

There is no way on earth they just walked up to him, handcuffed him and threatened pepper spray after just asking what he was doing and being told he was helping vulnerable people. And they must have been called there for some reason, it's a residential area, I doubt they were patrolling.

But, hey, just believe everything you see on the internet without question.

Anyway, here is a good summary of why the UK, specifically England, has tighter roles than Ireland. Spoiler alert - because we didn't act quickly enough.

So how about you leave us alone, we're all busy dying over here and are supporting our police force in trying to maintain the government's instructions:

twitter.com/laineydoyle/status/1249127908876128259?s=19

lazylinguist · 12/04/2020 12:01

I'm not usually one of the "MN has gone to the dogs!" crowd, but good lord there are a lot of arseholes on this thread.

Ok, the OP shouldn't have sat around on a bench eating a sausage roll under the current rules. She realises that now. But anyone claiming that adults shouldn't be taking snacks on a walk in non-pandemic times (why?!), or that stopping for a few minutes on a bike ride means you're not exercising, or that taking a brief breather means you're not fit enough to do your bike ride, or that no pregnant woman should ever sit on a bench without washing it first is frankly indulging in total batshit craziness.

Amymayapple · 12/04/2020 12:05

@VanGoghsDog the police apologised so it did happen

Amymayapple · 12/04/2020 12:06

Anyway back to the OP. What more can we say.

VanGoghsDog · 12/04/2020 12:22

@Amymayapple

I didn't say it didn't happen!

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