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All that argument about 'essential' food items and police examining trolleys

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Haffiana · 10/04/2020 15:12

Finally a definitive statement from Downing Street for all those Hunsnetters frothing that people 'aren't allowed' to buy cake or cucumbers or whatever is wedging their knickers:

Downing Street said shops that are allowed to remain open during the lockdown are free to sell whatever items they have in stock.

Asked about the idea of police patrolling particular supermarket aisles to see what people are buying, the prime minister’s spokesman said:

"We set out a list of shops which could remain open and if the shops are on that list then they are free to sell whatever they have in stock. Obviously provided it’s legal to do so."

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52245937

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Shitsgettingcrazy · 11/04/2020 20:37

There was several incidents on Social media with police forces account saying you were only allowed to buy essential items.

The problem is that alot of these small forces (which arent more than small station) done have people who are social media savvy and tweet what the fuck they want.

Its social media 101. If you are posting something in behalf of work, then ensure you have your facts.

What that CC was thinking, given he has larger resources, I dont know. He quickly retracted it though.

Not aware of any actual cases of people bags being searched.

DGRossetti · 12/04/2020 11:26

Greater Manchester police swoop on a (mysteriously black) man and threaten to pepper spray him for delivering food to the vulnerable.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/coronavirus-lockdown-police-officer-manchester-deliver-food-vulnerable-investigation-a9460831.html

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Police officer who arrested and threatened to pepper spray man ‘delivering food to vulnerable relatives’ under investigation
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A police officer is under internal investigation after threatening to pepper-spray a man who said he was delivering food to vulnerable relatives.

Footage showed the man being arrested, handcuffed and forced into an unmarked police car in the Fallowfield area of Manchester.

The video, taken from a neighbouring property, showed him being challenged by a plain clothed police officer over why he was at the house and saying he could be fined.
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“Give me a ticket for what? You're a bored guy, there's groups of people all over the place,” the man could be heard telling the officer. “'I'm not giving you any details.”

The officer then threatened to “lock [him] up” if he refused and arrest him for “breaking Covid guidelines”.

The man, who was black, was ordered to put his hands on his head as the officer repeatedly told him: “Turn around or you're gonna get sprayed.”

Neighbours came out of their homes during the exchange, with one asking the officer “what’s up with you” and a woman calling the response “excessive”.

The man said he was in pain after being handcuffed and pushed over a car, telling the officer: “You just keep saying things over and over again you're not helping, you're not diluting the situation - you're making it worse.”

After a woman’s voice could be heard asking whether there were “more pressing situations to be dealing with than coming over and bothering somebody going about his business, on his own”, the officer pointed off camera and said: “You'll be next.”

A second officer arrived at the scene before another woman attempted to intervene.

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As the man was forced into the car, he said: “I'm dropping food off to vulnerable members of my family who can’t do nothing, and I'm taking a tree home with me.”

The man was arrested under the Police and Criminal Evidence Act, which does not specifically relate to the coronavirus outbreak, but later “de-arrested” and issued with a fine.

Greater Manchester Police said the incident was being dealt with by its professional standards branch.

“Our initial review shows that the incident wasn't dealt with in the professional way we would expect and we apologise for that,” a spokesperson said.

“The public rightly expect the highest standards from our officers and we will investigate this matter thoroughly and properly.

“A senior member of the force is speaking to the man and his family today.

“We would ask that the public understand the stresses that our officers are working under at present, and we hope this apology will be welcome to those involved.”

It came after police were forced to apologise for several incidents, including one where a family were told they could not spend time in their garden.

At least three police forces have so far backtracked on suggestions that they could sanction people for shopping for “non-essential” items.

Last week, a woman was fined £660 for a crime she did not commit after British Transport Police wrongly charged her using the Coronavirus Act 2020.

It is one of two packages of laws, alongside the Health Protection Regulations, which allow police to arrest and fine people for violating the lockdown or infection measures.

There has been widespread confusion over the extent of the laws, which are less severe than government guidance in some respects.

Police in Surrey and Sussex are using a drone to tell people to go home for violating “government guidelines”.

Parliament’s Joint Committee on Human Rights warned that police may be punishing members of the public “without any legal basis”, while questioning, fining and arresting people who have not broken the law.

Chair Harriet Harman said the unprecedented lockdown can only comply with international law if it is “enforced in a clear, reasonable and balanced manner, enforcement is authorised, and does not go beyond what is prohibited by law”.

She added: “It remains a concern that some police forces will take a more proactive approach than is necessary and perhaps even lawful.”

Several police forces appear to have enforced the government guidance, rather than the separate Health Protection Regulations, which give police powers to arrest and fine people.

The regulations do not define “essential travel”, specify what kind of groceries people can buy or limit how many times people can be exercise outside in a day - apart from in Wales.

But several police forces have claimed to be enforcing a ban on “non-essential travel”, despite internal guidance calling blanket vehicle checks disproportionate and adding: “We don’t want the public sanctioned for travelling a reasonable distance to exercise.”

Arnoldthecat · 12/04/2020 16:08

Fallowfield does have a large number of black and ethnic inhabitants as well as a large student population. The full video of this shows the guy with a tree of some sort lashed to the roof of his car. Perhaps this is what caught police attention.

PicsInRed · 12/04/2020 16:15

Please imagine the shocked and surprised face I have right now

I know, me too 😱😂

PicsInRed · 12/04/2020 16:18

Fallowfield does have a large number of black and ethnic inhabitants ... full video of this shows the guy with a tree of some sort lashed to the roof of his car. Perhaps this is what caught police attention.

So they got him on GWB ... Gardening While Black?

That's a new one.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driving_while_black

Fosler · 12/04/2020 21:41

Thank f@@k I live where I live! We are far from densely populated, I don't care who I offend, but we are cheerfully mostly English. We all queue sensibly and often have a bit of banter. We don't panic buy. Times are hard but I feel blessed. I see people around me making an effort to help. Bless those of you in the front line. Bless us all, these are dark times.

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