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Can you go out freely once you have had covid?

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kingis · 28/03/2020 17:22

Do you need to follow rules even though you probably have immunity?

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playthestation · 28/03/2020 18:51

But you would be able to go out not needing to worry about catching the virus or spreading it.

Could you? What do you know about immunity?

Mummyoflittledragon · 28/03/2020 18:52

Seeing as this has only been around for 3.5 ish months, all we can say is immunity lasts up to that length of time.

playthestation · 28/03/2020 18:53

Seeing as this has only been around for 3.5 ish months, all we can say is immunity lasts up to that length of time.

Very scientific. How did you reach that conclusion?

jmcg2015 · 28/03/2020 18:54

The advice actually is yes you can. This is why they are keen to test NHS workers, if they have had it they can return to critical work. They have also said that those who have had it in the public will be identified when testing spreads to the community, and they can then return to normal life - which will still be restricted as the rest of the population will still be locked down, but it's certainly a better place to be

SmileEachDay · 28/03/2020 18:55

But you would be able to go out not needing to worry about catching the virus or spreading it

How does you having had it stop you passing it on to others, via surface contact?

donquixotedelamancha · 28/03/2020 18:55

There are loads of coronaviruses around at this time of year, with almost identical syptoms.

This particular one presents completely differently in different people.

The only way you can be 99% sure if if you had a test.

But you would be able to go out not needing to worry about catching the virus or spreading it.

Nobody know whether that is true yet (although god help us if it isn't).

Utterlybutterly8 · 28/03/2020 18:56

Does catching and recovering from the virus make you immune? I’m not sure scientists know the answer to that yet.

Mummyoflittledragon · 28/03/2020 18:56

playthestation
They’re talking about it on sky atm. Microbiologist at Uni Reading, Simon Clarke. But he continued that there is no guarantee there is any immunity.

jmcg2015 · 28/03/2020 18:56

Above point, they have said you could catch it again, but very low risk and even if you did you would not be able to pass it on. That's how viruses work, and what they have learned from other cases in other countries

Greysparkles · 28/03/2020 19:01

So in theory he can't pass it on. BUT he could still be a physical surface t transmit the virus. Eg if a person who was infectious touched a door handle and spread the virus there, then friend touched same handle and the virus stuck to his hand, then he touched something else and the virus stuck there

But what's the alternative? All stay locked indoors slowly going mad for 18m-2yr?
It's inevitable that the majority will catch it at some point, and surely letting people out who are "immune" would be a good first step to getting things back up and running

DuLANGDuLANGDuLANG · 28/03/2020 19:12

The virus can live on various surfaces for a surprisingly long length of time, so no.

If an immune person is carrying it on their clothes, skin or shopping bag, they are still putting others at risk of contamination.

I wish that wasn’t the case, but until we get beyond the herd immunity point, the rules are for everyone (except essential workers):

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/25/how-long-coronavirus-lasts-on-surfaces-packages-groceries

DuLANGDuLANGDuLANG · 28/03/2020 19:16

This are they key points from the link above:

The New England Journal of Medicine just published a study that tested how long the virus can remain stable on different kinds of surfaces within a controlled laboratory setting. They found that it was still detectable on copper for up to four hours, on cardboard for up to 24 hours, and on plastic and steel for up to 72 hours.

As far as we know right now, people are much more likely to be infected by close contact with an infected person than by touching a contaminated surface. That said, it’s still important to be conscious of what we’re touching, especially high-touch surfaces, and be careful about cleaning our hands after touching things. For example, public transit or grocery stores and places where there tend to be a lot of people

GabsAlot · 28/03/2020 19:17

china have stated people are experincing it tiwce in some cases-dont know if its been verfied here though

onlyreadingneverposting8 · 28/03/2020 19:18

@playthestation virologists only tv and my own understanding of virology and immunology (uni degree) says that in order to recover from a virus the body raises immunity to it. The question is more around how long lasting that immunity may be the virologists I've seen are saying that the evidence coming out of China suggests immunity is lasting but of course, the virus has only been around for a short time so we can not say for definite. From what they are saying it is reasonable to suggest that someone who has had the virus and recovered will not spread it further (people only she's live virus for around 3 days - source virologist from
Cambridge uni - sorry I can't remembered name but she worked on H1N1 during its pandemic) and won't be reinfected within a shortish period of time.

Lumene · 28/03/2020 19:18

Have you had a confirmed test result OP? Without that you could be mistaken as to whether that was what you had.

onlyreadingneverposting8 · 28/03/2020 19:19

She's = shed

MowzersAsleep · 28/03/2020 19:33

Can anyone answer these two questions -

If someone has had it, then would that mean that they have a fairly low/poor immune system to get it in the first place?

and also, would they then need to be really careful in general afterwards as they are still weak/unwell,.so as not to do too much too quickly?

(like probably still not 100% back to their normal health after a week or two?)

playthestation · 28/03/2020 19:34

Thanks - I'm so lost I itch it all. Everywhere you turn someone is saying something different. Even when you think you find a reliable source it's so fast moving that then changes too Sad

wherestheotherone · 28/03/2020 19:40

My understanding is as the number of people who have had the virus return to daily life as well as social distancing being in place then the virility of the virus reduces. It reduces because the number of viable hosts reduces and the ability to transfer also reduces. The current problem is that every person will carry the virus that comes into contact with it as the human race does not have any immunity. It is this ability to spread that increases the numbers and it increases the chances of mutation. We do not want mutation of the virus. It can clearly mutate as it's already transferred from animal to human, human to human and there have been approximately 200 cases in China of a mutated virus. Mutation can work for and against us. It can reduce the effects but potentially increase the effects of the disease. Whilst the virus is readily jumping from host to host mutation becomes more possible. Vaccines may not work safely on mutations.

I doubt those of us who have had it will be told to not adhere to social restrictions as it is these measures along with the expected immunity that brings the numbers infected at any one time down. It does make sense that we should be sent straight back to work to do the gaps of others as they become ill.

Bluewater1 · 28/03/2020 19:55

They don't know for certain if people who have had the virus can't a) catch it again or b) can't pass it on
So no, stick to the rules

jmcg2015 · 28/03/2020 20:28

The tests in the early days from China which show people catching again have been put down to flawed data some time ago. Which isn't to say it can't be caught again but chances are low and they have NO evidence to suggest it can then be passed on in any way by that person. They wouldn't let an NHS worker go back to work if they'd had it if there was any reasonable chance they could pass it on

Duchessofblandings · 28/03/2020 20:29

You won’t know you’ve had it unless you've been tested.

kingis · 28/03/2020 20:53

I haven't had it but was just asking out of interest.

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00Sassy · 28/03/2020 20:58

Of course not!
You can still help it to spread.
It’s a physical THING.
So you can still get it on you and transmit it to those who haven’t had it yet.

It’s too soon for that to be okay.

jmcg2015 · 28/03/2020 21:24

@00Sassy no you can't pass it when you've had it, that's not how a virus works. They know this, this is why NHS workers can and should return to work when they have been proved to have had the virus, there would be zero point in testing isolated NHS workers if this were not the case, and it's what they are telling us at the daily conferences

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