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The new rules apply to all of us

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tilder · 27/03/2020 20:59

Please stick to them.

The number of posts on here, where the poster is trying to justify why they don't apply to them, are ridiculous. They apply to you, to me, to all of us.

The situation in Italy is not good. Spain is heading in that direction. We are 2-3 weeks behind. People catching and spreading it now are the problem.

We are trying to avoid that, but everyone of you who bends the rules, thinks they know better or questions the logic is driving us towards it.

Seriously, stop being so self absorbed.

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playingbytherules · 27/03/2020 21:10

Couldn't agree more!!

Ks0708 · 27/03/2020 21:13

I keep hearing from family members and friends of so and so doing this, or visiting that person etc and it is frustrating. We're at the point where the rules are very clear and easy to understand. There's no reason not to follow them. People think they have the right, because they're only putting themselves at risk. Unfortunately, that's utterly incorrect.

JustStayAtHome · 27/03/2020 21:15

selfish selfish people, the message hasn't,and won't,ever get through

picklemewalnuts · 27/03/2020 21:19

I agree in principle, in practice I'm not so sure. I say this because I've been on the receiving end of loads of complaints (about other people). By and large, we all think our choice is rational and can see flaws with other people's.

Most people are observing it 97%. Very few people are deliberately behaving badly. We can always see one one else's 3% more easily than our own.

I of course am observing the rules 100%. Though my neighbours could probably point to me having a 3% failure rate too.

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tilder · 27/03/2020 21:59

If they think they are only putting themselves at risk, presumably they won't ask paramedics, nurses and doctors to treat them when they get ill.

45 doctors have died in Italy.

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MabelMoo23 · 27/03/2020 22:01

Yep this. 100%

Frenchdoors1 · 27/03/2020 22:05

We wish!

xtinak · 27/03/2020 22:11

I think this is a case of checking your privilege. It's clearly easier for some people to comply than others, based on their situation.

EmeraldsAtDawn · 27/03/2020 22:16

I think this is a case of checking your privilege. I agree with this but also that the last few days have shown us that the least effective way to change behaviours is to shout YOU SELFISH TWAT at everyone you disagree with.

I am not convinced anyone taking that approach to online debate is really hoping to change behaviour but instead is getting someone else out of taking that approach.

Not saying you've done that - only that this seems to be the mostly common way these threads are going.

picklemewalnuts · 28/03/2020 07:09

That's exactly it, xtinac.

It's like a witch hunt.

If your autistic child doesn't sleep and a 30min drive buys you some peace, then I don't begrudge you that.

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tilder · 28/03/2020 07:33

My 'privelege' is a dh with job security. He is front line NHS in a high risk role. He has asthma.

I am at home with 3 young children.

He is aware of the shit storm heading his way. The spread of this thing is pretty exponential so everyone who slows down the spread is helping.

Cases infected now won't appear in hospital for several weeks. When they do, unless we are really lucky and prople have followed the rules, then we will look like Italy.

My privelege will then probably either not come home for weeks. Come home and give us all the virus. Or become a statistic.

Fuck off with your 'check your privelege' and think of others.

Yes this thing is shit. Yes we're all stressed. Yes everytime he walks out the door I have to stop the tears. But we can get through this and things will get better.

Just please, those rules have not been set for fun. Or to inconvenience people. They are there to give lots of people a chance to survive.

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Sockwomble · 28/03/2020 07:57

There has to be some leeway with those with extreme needs. This has already been shown by some of the most vulnerable children still going to school. These will account for a tiny proportion of the population and the vast majority of the population can and should be sticking to the rules.

wishingitwasfriday · 28/03/2020 07:59

The trouble is is that more and more people are trying to justify that 'extreme need', when actually for the majority it's just that they don't want to follow the rules.

iVampire · 28/03/2020 08:06

I’m following them 100%

That’s because I’m in the exceptionally vulnerable/shield group. I was pretty compliant in the week before I got the letter too, though I did make one trip to the shops and was still walking the dog outdoors with a friend who was also significantly isolating,

I know I am at substantial risk of death if I get it.

I think that concentrated the mind wonderfully

People at large will only really comply when enough people die that they stop ‘othering’ them and really start believing that they, or their nearest and dearest can die from this,

By that time, it’ll be rather late in the curve, so high rates might last longer than they would do if everyone had really hunkered down at the first set of restrictions

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tilder · 28/03/2020 08:08

The problem with leeway is that everyone seems to think it applies to them. That their needs are exceptional so the rules don't apply.

Rules on school are clear. We all know who qualifies and who doesn't. We all know that even if you qualify, you should only use it if you absolutely have to.

It might seem harsh, but the alternative is worse.

If you feel your case is exceptional, then make your case. Don't just try and duck out of it saying 'but but but'. If your case is genuinely exceptional then I guess if you get stopped and questioned they will wave you on instead of sending you home.

Good luck with that.

Maybe I seem angry. Probably because I am. The virus is shit. The situation is shit. It's nobodies fault. Continuing to spread it is somebodies fault. I can be fucking angry with them.

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QuimJongUn · 28/03/2020 08:10

I think this is a case of checking your privilege

Absolutely.

If you're disabled and don't drive (like me), there's only so much shopping you can carry on each shopping trip. I have no help to do so because DH is wfh all the hours God sends pretty much. So instead of one supermarket trip a week, I have to do 2 or 3. Also if you have key meters (again, like me), that means walking to find a cashpoint that actually has cash available, then finding a shop open to top up (you can't pay by card). So that's another two outings a week. If I need a pharmacy that's another (my local supermarket is an Aldi which doesn't have one, and my nearest is a mile walk away). If you're on a low income you can't afford to stock up/top up weeks in advance.

I'd love to be able to only go out once a fortnight or whatever (I'm immunocompromised because of the medication I take). But I can't. I'm sure that to some people it looks like I'm flouting the rules, but I like many have no choice.

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tilder · 28/03/2020 08:10

I'm going to step away now. Think I'm rantingBlushSmile.

Doesn't mean I don't mean everything I've said, just that ranting doesn't help anyone.

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Sockwomble · 28/03/2020 08:11

Some people will have been told they have extreme need. It is those people whose needs have always been extreme. The rules do actually allow for it ( eg leaving the house to prevent harm/ being harmed, care of a vulnerable person) but it probably isn't obvious to others that they apply in that situation.

EL8888 · 28/03/2020 08:11

This 100%! Everyone thinks they are exempted but it applies to everyone else. It’s totally infuriating and irrational. You point that out but get met with a barrage of explanations (they say explanation but in reality they are excuses to justify their fuck wit behaviour). Anything from my mum’s garden is badly overgrown to my child will only nap in the car to they may grow out of their clothes soon etc etc. NONE OF ITS ESSENTIAL, GET A GRIP!!!!!!

MarshaBradyo · 28/03/2020 08:12

Agree op a lot of posts on here showing what you say.

Lepetitpiggy · 28/03/2020 08:14

My eldest dd is 8 and a half months pregnant, stuck inside with her dp, a 3 year old and 2 year old who has the virus (as far as the doctors think- she was seen last week). Her in laws are being ridiculous 'well you'll be able to come over in two weeks won't you?' We've been shopping in (town 20 miles away) every day to pick things up for the garden'; 'Of course we've had (93 year old) grandma round for lunch every day' and moaning about me as I haven't been 'round to wave from the garden'. More to the point her fil is overweight, diabetic and a smoker! It's really stressing her out and it's so bloody unfair!!

littlemissmuffins · 28/03/2020 08:16

What are the new rules??

(don't worry I've been inside for days, just can't find anything definitive online)

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