Not just old people - 16 yr old girl died in France

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I know % wise most deaths are over 70, but by no means all. A 16 year old girl with no previous conditions died yesterday in France. www.leparisien.fr/essonne-91/morsang-sur-orge-91390/julie-16-ans-decedee-du-coronavirus-personne-n-est-invincible-se-desole-sa-soeur-27-03-2020-8288850.php

Take care everyone xx

What is the point of sharing this kind of thing? It just induces panic/anxiety.

It goes without saying that it's awful when a young person dies and terrible for their family etc - but only because it's covid is it headline news.

Because a lot of people see the lockdown as more harm than good.

There's a thread now running that the old and vulnerable should just get on and die so the young and healthy arent inconvenienced by a lockdown

I don’t think this is scaremongering. I think it’s showing the reality of this thing and reminding people to take the relevant measures and precautions seriously abd why it’s important to do so.

I keep reading comments which take the other extreme and argue ‘why save 86 year olds on ventilators’ by ruining everyone else’s life and prospects. And people who seem to think the phrase ‘underlying conditions’ means at death’s door. A significant number of people are convinced this virus will only kill people who would have died this year anyway and that if left to run through the population wouldn’t cause a rise in death rates. Those people are very wrong and I’m finding their posts even more upsetting to read than the tragic ones which give us the truth.

No previous conditions doesn't mean no conditions.Think how often someone apparently fit and well died after a marathon and is then found to have say a heart condition

It’s not scaremongering. There are way too many people burying their head in the sand, believing that this virus doesn’t have any effect on children and the young and those people have a false sense of security about the risks they’re taking.

Yes, of course it’s upsetting to read about young people dying or being on a ventilator and yes, some are already suffering a lot of anxiety right now but that doesn’t mean we should ignore these stories, especially when there are still idiots on this site responding to OPs who post worrying about their vulnerable dc with it doesn’t harm children. Ignorance is not always bliss.

I don't know anyone who is not taking things seriously, especially now most countries are in lockdown and so on. On the other hand I know quite a few people who are convinced if they touch the car seat where their shopping bag has been that they are inviting certain death upon their whole family. Or worrying about who will look after their DC because they have a cough. It's not healthy and IMO the sharing of articles which keep emphasising that young and/or healthy people will die too is just fuelling this kind of thing.

Last week it was more helpful in terms of trying to shock people into following rules but this week it's obvious to everyone what is happening, no need to rub in the parts that are making people panic. I don't share with my mother articles that show people aged 60+ are likely to be worst hit.

It’s so disrespectful to say people shouldn’t post this sort of thing.

Child murders by strangers are rare too, should they not be reported?

No previous conditions doesn't mean no conditions

Oh FFS stop othering. She will have been tested for high BP or blood sugar levels. Healthy people die from this disease but too many people aren't taking it seriously because "something must have been wrong then". No, multiple doctors from different countries havr told us that young and healthy people are at risk of dying from this disease.

Of course it is worth sharing. We can then share it with others, especially those, less inclined to obey the governmental lockdown.

What on earth does a death from coronavirus have to do with child murders?

I keep seeing people saying 'it's not just old people'

I cant see anyone official who has said that, ever.

The facts have always been on statistics. Younger people have a much higher chance of mild symptoms and those that have serious ones have a much higher chance of survival.

That doesnt mean it wont happen. It doesnt mean no young people will die.

If you have a weak immune system (ie are a smoker!) this is not classed as underlying health condition but yet you are more likely to get the virus (and maybe die?). I would ban all the smoking in the country if I could as it is a lung disease at the end of the day!!!

Unless they’ve done a thorough post-mortem and found that she absolutely had no other health conditions then its complete scaremongering.

I shared because I'm seeing too many people think the young aren't affected, too many people thinking we should just let the virus loose so we can save the economy. I do not think sharing news is scaremongering. Sharing news is always important. It is how we learn. Protecting people who are anxious will not save lives!

I don't think this is scaremongering. It's the reality.

I understand OP and agree

Round here there's quite a few teenagers finding loopholes to the lockdown and self isolating rules as they believe it won't kill under 18 year olds. So, exercise and 'going to shops' (different shops daily) is being used as a chance to "bump into" friends- arrangements being made over social media. All done behind parents' backs

Serious cases in children are still very rare through. Out of 20,000 deaths just one or 2 are below 20. That is exceptionally unusual. The distribution of deaths from the virus matches the distribution of normal deaths in the population - every year about 10% of 80+ years old die. The virus kills 10% of those over 80 who get it. The proportion it kills of children is vanishingly low as is the normal chance of children dying.

The Imperial college scientist estimated that about two-thirds of those who die would have died within the year anyway. That is sad and of course that means that one-third due noticeably earlier but it is not the bubonic plague.

Unless they’ve done a thorough post-mortem and found that she absolutely had no other health conditions then its complete scaremongering.

Not at all. It's irrelevant whether she had some hidden condition.

She was young and apparently healthy. It's a reminder to young and apparently healthy people that this could kill them too.

The fact you say it's scaremongering shows it's necessary.

Thing is Corona causez heart failure. In many of these younger/unexplained cases there likely was an underlying problem the victim in question hadn't yet identified. Like cardiovascular disease causing sudden fatal heart attacks in young people/footballers/marathon runners as they didn't know they had a heart problem. If these patients had this, they wouldn't necessarily have known, but Corona can cause a heart attack so if they had cardiovascular disease but noone had yet identified this in them- it this could well be the reason. And intense testing/post postmortems on Corona Victims I am guessing will be delayed/ take quite a while right now.

No previous conditions doesn't mean no conditions

Lots of young people have unknown heart conditions. That's why CRY was set up because someone died young during exercise, and they now do free screening of youngsters (well anyone under about 35 I think).

Also doing lots of exercise lowers your immune system if you do too much, which could have been why the Italian marathon runner was hit so hard despite being so fit. Our running club has been telling us not to cut right back on running at the moment to protect our immune systems. I don't do that much anyway so I've cut back from about 20 miles a week to about 13, but some of the keener bods do 50, and they need to cut back a lot while this is going on.

Why are people talking about post mortem? There will be no post mortem. There is no time for that.

Are post mortem cancelled?

Are you sure?

I would have though, a health 16 year old who died of covid, would have had one. Sp they can understand exactly why she dies and learn more about how is affecting people.

What about other deaths? No post mortem at all?

Funeral is on Monday so I'm guessing not.

Thers still time to do a post mortem. In NI funerals are usually held quite quickly. Theres still post mortems.