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For all separated parents

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Racmactac · 24/03/2020 06:00

The government have amended their original advice. The ability to leave our homes to care for vulnerable or medical reasons has been updated to include transporting children between homes

This is from the guardian.

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Fraggle45 · 24/03/2020 06:06

Can you attach the link please and any update gov document?

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Racmactac · 24/03/2020 06:11

Hope that works. See bottom of page 1 for addition.

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Fraggle45 · 24/03/2020 06:21

Thankyou that's great

Fonduefrolics · 24/03/2020 06:34

Thanks for sharing

LittleRa · 24/03/2020 06:40

Thanks so much for sharing this

LittleRa · 24/03/2020 06:47

MNHQ should pin this or bump it or change thread title to say “new guidance for separated parents” or something, whatever gets this message out, as I have seen A LOT of threads where people have said the children should be staying at just one home.

saintava · 24/03/2020 06:51

Thank you so much for sharing this, I didn't sleep much last night worrying about this

Sayitaintsoiwillnotgo · 24/03/2020 06:56

Thank you so much for sharing. My SS is here right now and my DP rang 101 last night to ask what to do as didn't want to get in any trouble or break any rules especially as his ex can be difficult to deal with. Glad same rule as France is applied. Mental health is just as important in this fight and this will really help it.

AvocadoPrime · 24/03/2020 06:58

My sons dad lives with two relatives over 70, he is still working too. What about this situation?

LittleRa · 24/03/2020 06:59

OP just to let you know I’ve reported this post just to bring it to MNHQ attention so that they can hopefully bring it to prominence eg pin the post, keep it bumped or edit title to say it contains new government guidance to separated parents. Thanks

Inapickleortwo · 24/03/2020 07:07

This is brilliant. I've been up all night worrying as DSD is with mum currently and we've decided we would still be going to pick her back up on Friday, fine or not. I didn't want to be having to keep justifying our rationale to people especially as some on MN seem to think it's another way to stop children going to their other parent. Complete worry lifted!

LadyGAgain · 24/03/2020 07:33

Michael Gove on GMB this morning saying that children should stay in the house that they are in and see the other parent through social media face time etc. Children should not be moved between households.

Sad times.

LittleRa · 24/03/2020 07:48

Why is Michael Gove (the odious prick) saying that, when the government advice published contradicts what he is saying?

Rhinosaurus · 24/03/2020 07:49

To me that guidance only applies to vulnerable children or those with medical needs?

slipperywhensparticus · 24/03/2020 07:53

They are trying to protect people that's why they dont want all this shuffling around

Rhinosaurus · 24/03/2020 07:53

The addendum of (1) applies to the paragraph which mentions medical need.

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Theodoreb · 24/03/2020 07:55

I don't want dc going to their dad DD2 is in a severe vulnerable group and he never takes that seriously add to that the fact that although I've never said no to him he hasn't seen kids except for one night on December the 10th kinda hoping he doesn't ask as don't want arguments plus kids don't want to go anyway as they are upset he hasn't seen them.

LittleRa · 24/03/2020 07:58

Gove has gone back on what he said and clarified

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CharlotteCollinsneeLucas · 24/03/2020 08:02

The addendum of (1) applies to the paragraph which mentions medical need.

It also says "or to provide care". Separating it from medical need.

Elizadoeslittle19 · 24/03/2020 09:08

Actually Michael Gove's clarifying statement is not clear at all amd is worse than his categoric no movement. He states while children should not normally be moving between homes it is understood it may be necessary for children under 18. Define necessary.... does this mean that on normal contact day children can move between homes to maintain contact.... is it necessary? I.e no care requirement involved, not a vulnerable child or one that requires medical attention.

RowanMumsnet · 24/03/2020 12:40

Hello

We're seeing if we can get someone from the government to expand a bit on the guidance. In the meantime, if it's helpful, here's some advice we've been sent by legal chambers 4PB - it seems to mostly apply to parents with a court order:

Jonathan Evans, barrister at 4PB:

Fears over coronavirus are already affecting Child Arrangement Orders made by the Family Courts. Parents must comply with court orders unless there is a reasonable excuse not to and failure to comply with an order can amount to a contempt of court.

There have been three primary categories of enquiry: First, where one parent lives abroad and regularly flies over for contact with their children. Current travel advice is preventing many parents from seeing their children.

Second is where a primary caregiver fails to make the children available for contact. Either because they or the children have had genuine symptoms, or due to a fear that the other parent will retain the children, or because the primary caregiver uses the current situation as an excuse to stop contact.

The third category of enquiry is where a parent has contact with their children and retains them, saying that they or the child displays symptoms.

The advice to any parent must be that orders should be complied with unless to do so would put the child, or others at risk. Routine is particularly important for children who are seeing their school lives disrupted. Handovers can still be effected, even with current guidance on social distancing. If it is impossible to promote face-to-face contact, parents should try and think flexibly and include regular video contact to maintain relationships as best they can. Clear and early communication between parents, potentially using third parties, should be encouraged.

There are likely to be evidential difficulties in proving whether parental concerns over coronavirus are genuine, due to difficulty in attending a medical professional. A court may give parents the benefit of the doubt, potentially leaving the system open to abuse. However, courts will also consider a parent’s past record of promoting contact as part of the overall factual matrix.

Courts remain functioning and are dealing with many hearings remotely, so applications can still be made. A judge is likely to be critical of any parent that manipulates this situation to their advantage. Therefore what may appear a short-term strategic advantage, may well backfire in the longer-term.

47mum47 · 24/03/2020 12:46

Does anyone have any advice for me with a child who's father lives 8 hours away? He was supposed to be going there in april for the first time - having never met any of the family down there my son and his dad and girlfriends family were very excited however is this now necessary and putting everyone's health at risk? Am I right to put a hold on this until it's all blown over?