Dropping child to nanny?

[Childcarehelp]

Hi, I’ve been dropping our pre-schooler to our nanny at home so she doesn’t need to travel to our house by bus. Under the new measures do you think I can keep doing this? She’s not going out and neither are we (apart from food shopping or to walk in the park in line with guidance). So effectively each of our family units is isolated apart from my one DC going there. No older or vulnerable people around either family and, as I said, we’re not interacting with anyone else.

Except your nanny is then a childminder

Personally I don’t think anyone will quibble over whether she’s a childminder or nanny and any minor breaches of nanny rules (if there are any) in the current circumstances given the only reason for the change in our arrangement is her health, ours and the health of those she would otherwise be commuting with on public transport. She’s ofsted registered and I’m not bothered about insurance being voided. My OP was about how to understand the new rules relating to coronavirus.

I'm sick of people who don't know how to talk to someone in a reasonable manner and be understanding of the fact that we are all facing huge sudden change and coming to terms with it.

I think one of the (many) points here is that you need to come to terms with it quicker than you are.

If any of your family have it, are asymptomatic and then pass it to the Nanny who then goes to the supermarket and then passes it onto someone else. Do you see where this is going? Catch up fast OP.

For once I actually think a little (ok a lot) bluntness in your direction is justified. This is literally life or death.

There are zillions of us WFH with children, I have a toddler, it's shit but we are where we are. Toe the line like everyone else.

She's in breach of the regulations of her Ofsted registration if she's working out of her home.

Your attitude is the reason we will end up in full lockdown. I'm fed up with people thinking the rules don't apply to them but as long as your nanny payroll company say it's ok then they must be right. I despair.

Since when did asking a question become so controversial on mumsnet? Why are there so many rude and mean people on here?!

Why do so many jump to assume selfishness or bad intentions when someone asks a question?

We’re all new to this, and there is a lot of ambiguity in the current guidelines. It’s completely reasonable for people to ask questions about them. If you’re incapable of answering a question without throwing in insults, condescension and ostentatious, hand-wringing disbelief, maybe you should be asking yourself if being an asshole is really the most helpful thing you can do right now.

You should not be taking your child to another household. Full stop. I'm really struggling to understand why people think the rules don't apply to them.

It's difficult for everyone but we'll have a much stricter lockdown soon if people don't do what they are told.

Why are people being so rude to the OP?

I'm pretty sure one of you is supposed to take leave whilst the other works.
Your children are your responsibility, not the nannies.
HTH.
Is intelligence needed in your work, and why is it so vital you need childcare.
Apologies if you are an essential worker. But then surely, they'd go to school.

OP it's a really grey area, we are struggling because we don't want to lay off our nanny, but if I have to formally reduce my hours to do childcare at home, then we won't have a choice.

As far as our payroll agency have laid out, we would t be able to keep paying her and claim this back via the 80% government salary help as we are not a "business" and she can technically still come to work (as per updated statement yesterday). But we don't think she's comfortable doing so and neither are we particularly.

Thanks FuckOffCorona, never seen a group of people so eager to jump down your throat.

As I’ve said, the GOVERNMENT itself clarified that people can go to work if they can’t work from home. If you disagree with the Government’s approach then fair enough but don’t have a go at me when for trying to understand what the Government is asking us to do. It’s fair enough if people think the Government’s restrictions don’t go far enough and urge others to go above and beyond but there’s no need for name-calling and character-assassination in the process.

Absolutely selfish! What is it about Stay At Home that people don’t understand! Unless you are running the NHS , medical or good chains your job is really not that important .

There are two issues here.

1. Your nanny can NOT look after your child in her home for more than two hours per day unless she is a registered childminder as well? All registered childminders have been shut down in this country so she would be breaking the law. It is your nanny who will get into trouble. If you want to keep using your nanny then she needs to move in with you and not mix with ANYONE who is not part of your household.

2. Your employers (you and dh's) are being unreasonable to expect you to work as normal when the government has taken away your childcare. The government need to make is clear to employers that they need to cut their employees some slack in these unpresidented times.

Devlesko actually if I pay my nanny a salary to look after my children then they are her responsibility during those hours. That’s how it works.

Stay at Home is the headline; it is not an absolute rule. It is useful as a headline and a general message but obviously no one is being told to stay at home completely unless they are vulnerable. Even those in self-isolation are allowed to go out once a day to take exercise in a isolated area. So it’s not very helpful to keep repeating it

Unless you are running the NHS , medical or good chains your job is really not that important

What if you work in banking? Is in unimportant that people are able to access banking services as usual? What about lawyers who have cases calling in court this week - can they just Fitch their responsibilities to their clients? How about people who work for energy companies - does it matter that we still have power to heat our homes and cook? What about people who work in insurance - does it matter if they can’t assist their clients with their claims in this very uncertain time?

There is no doubt that frontline workers and those involved in food supply are absolutely vital at this time and need to be prioritised, but it’s simply not true to say other jobs are unimportant when the continued functioning of society is dependent on them being done.

Ok Carona fair point about other roles , I accept your point . Was trying to keep things as simple as possible for the OP .

If you think the rules don’t apply to you, carry on!

Not sure what part of self isolating is so difficult for you to understand, but you carry on regardless.

Not sure what part of 'people can go to work if they cannot do their work at home' is so difficult for you to understand.

This is what Matt Hancock has said.

Yes but households cannot mix at all!
Whether that's to a nanny, aunt whatever.
Either work Opposite shifts to Your dh or. Wfh.

But you haven't said you can't work from home.

If your job can physically be done at home then you should do it at home. Thousands of people will be in your situation re childcare, you just have to suck it up.

To be fair though, the nanny isn't going to work - you are taking your child to her. Which you can't do as she isn't a childminder and even if she was, you aren't a key worker.

You can interpret the rules how you want to. They are perfectly clear. You are mixing two households, which you can't do, your nanny would be working in her own home (which makes her a childminder) which she can't do as childminders are only allowed to offer care to children of keyworkers. You confirmed earlier on that you're not keyworkers so I genuinely have no idea why you think what you proposed is ok.

Who is actually going to check up on the OP?

OP, do what you have to do. Tell your nanny not to mix with others and take precautions when out shopping.

No no no no no no no no no

Can't say it any other way

No no no no

Don't put her at risk! Not you. Not your child

Stop. No no no.