To resent parents who are still sending their kids to school on Monday

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Not the genuine cases, obviously.

But I'm a teacher and we will be opening for the duration because 40% of our pupils have at least one parent who is a keyworker.

Before the list was released, the government told us to expect 10% and we planned accordingly. In fact, we planned for 20%.

When the list was released, it was so broad that far more parents than we ever expected fell into one of the categories.

Now, if your need is genuine then of course I want to care for your child. I'm happy to do it, and proud that doing so keeps you working.

But we have so many parents who are allowed to send their child to school, but shouldn't be, that it's infuriating me.

If you are a keyworker but your partner is a stay-at-home parent should you be sending them in?

If you are a keyworker but your partner works from home or is allowed to work from home indefinitely, should you be sending them in?

My sister's employer is allowing all employees who are parents to work from home on full pay, but many are saying that they don't need to, because their partner is a keyworker so their kids can still go to school

Just because you can send them, doesn't mean you should. It shouldn't be the best or easiest option for you, it should be a last resort if there is nowhere else to keep them safe.

The number one, most critical piece of advice for keyworker parents is, 'if it is at all possible for children to be kept at home then they should be.'

Please don't think I'm lazy and cba babysitting these children. I cried when my class went home yesterday, and care about every child in school. If I am in work full time anyway, then it really doesn't matter how many children are in the classroom.

But so many people don't understand social distancing. They are walking around like they are immortal, or only thinking that they themselves will probably be ok if they get it. For social distancing to have the desired effect, then everyone who can be at home, should be. If there was a chance of your child dying from this, would you send them to school? Well then think about who might die because they came into contact with your child.

And all of this brought on by a friend who called me last night to say that she is thrilled to be able to send her child to school on Monday because she is a deliveroo driver, even though her unemployed bf will be home all day on the PlayStation.

@todayisnottuesday why wont you answer, what's going to happen to all these vulnerable kids when the school have to close because the virus is spreading too quickly. In part because schools are still rammed with kids?

It appears you dont actually know what neglect is. I am sure the fullmoon isnt a neglectful parent

Please don't try and twist my words. 10 ago, I was ill and would have found coping with my DC's with no help very difficult. My MH would have been made worse, this would have impacted my DC's negatively whether I liked that fact or not. Therefore, the option of some help would have been better all round. Judgement would have made matters worse. That's it.

Please don't try and twist my words. 10 ago, I was ill and would have found coping with my DC's with no help very difficult. My MH would have been made worse, this would have impacted my DC's negatively whether I liked that fact or not. Therefore, the option of some help would have been better all round. Judgement would have made matters worse. That's it.

You said the person in the example would be neglectful.

That perosn isnt struggling mentally. A child of someone with ill health would be vulnerable.

That's not what we are talking about.

The schos are open for childcare for kids of essential staff and vulnerable children.

When people have taken the piss and keep sending their kids, when they dont need to, where will those vulnerable children go.

How will the NHs cope when loads of parents have to not go to work, because theres no childcare?

I have depression and anxiety. The next few months will be extremely difficult. That doesnt mean it's ok to risk teachers and spreading infection by taking my child into school.

why wont you answer, what's going to happen to all these vulnerable kids when the school have to close because the virus is spreading too quickly

Look, sorry - 'rammed with kids/ the virus spreading that quickly'? Due to the odd piss taker when many key workers children are being kept home even though eligible to go? Come on...

Tuesday

The situation right now is a global emergency on a scale no one has planned for.

It’s not about you feeling judged 10 years ago.

It’s about frontline services trying to help stop a global pandemic.

People are clearly taking the piss and the knock on effect will mean vulnerable DC will suffer and likely more infection and deaths for teachers and their families. You think humans would look out for each other, but no for some it is "me, me, me".

Trying, it is because of unbearably selfish people like you that all schools will eventually have to close to all but essential health care workers children.
Teachers are trying their best to be fair but when there are people taking the p*s so they don't have to look after their children it will become unsafe. If I was a teacher I would refuse to put my family in danger for lazy ass*les.

Due to the odd piss taker

It's clearly not just the odd person though. The keyworker list is so broad, we have the children of Greggs workers and other non essential workers, as well as teenagers being sent to school.

Look, sorry - 'rammed with kids/ the virus spreading that quickly'? Due to the odd piss taker when many key workers children are being kept home even though eligible to go? Come on...

It's not the odd piss taker.

Why have school been partially closed. To help slow the spread of infections. The vysiner the school, the bigger the impact.

If you are so sure there will be very few piss takers, then most of the kids absolutely must be there. They arent the ones this this thread is about.

This thread is about the adult pisstakers, creating a bigger risk. Including a bigger risk to the vulnerable children you are worried about.

Again, what happens to the vimanlble kids when schools have to close completely?

Not a question you want to answer, I take it.

That perosn isnt struggling mentally

How do you know that? Who makes you the judge of that? People with MH issues often hide them very well, doesn't mean they don't have them, doesn't mean they will cope.

have depression and anxiety. The next few months will be extremely difficult. That doesnt mean it's ok to risk teachers and spreading infection by taking my child into school

So you will cope - that's great. Not everyone would. Which would ultimately affect the children too.

Retail staff - often sneezed/ coughed over, handling money, tins etc from possibly infected children and adults

Sainsbury's customers received an email from the CEO today asking, among other things, people to observe social distancing. Plus, they have access to cleaning products regularly.

Carers/ nursing and residential home staff - very likely dealing with carriers day in day out, often performing high risk contact with them

These people are more likely to be regarded now a vulnerable, so isolating where possible. Therefore less likely to be coming into regular contact with dozens of potentially infected people daily.

Cleaners - as above. Cleaning the railings, beds, door handles, equipment used on likely carriers.

Yes, cleaning, with products that are hopefully killing the virus. And they're probably (hopefully) wearing gloves while they do it.

Why are teachers such a special group here?

Social spaces are closed. People are being asked to practice social distancing. Large gatherings are essentially banned. This is to help slow the virus.

Except schools. They can have a hundred kids and a dozen staff in every day, all potentially being infected. But that's okay, apparently. Despite the government saying children should only be sent in if there is no other option. But not wanting to be disturbed is a good enough reason.

It's a difficult one and a double edged sword. Both me & my OH are keyworkers and are unable to WFH. My OH has been working 12/13 hours six days a week for the past week, with no end in sight. We have no family to help, so do I send my 14 year old to school or leave him home alone for between 7-12 hours per day..

Not a question you want to answer, I take it

To be honestly, it's not that I don't want to answer, I'm not a politician and this is not fucking question time.... I'm finding it hard to decipher what it is you are actually asking me as I see no evidence of it not just being the odd piss taker. I'm seeing schools with way less children to look after, and many people eligible not taking them.

'What happens to the vulnerable children then?' - well then they are at risk. But where is the proof the virus will spread due to 'all these piss takers?' Except on here, I mean.

The bottom line is the parents may need to take responsibility for their dc . They brought them into the world

Not talking about the keyworkers

So you will cope - that's great. Not everyone would. Which would ultimately affect the children too

That’s the mandate schools usually have. Support children and families.

It’s not usual right now, for any of us.

Except schools

It is not just schools though. Care and residential homes, buses, shops , pharmacies, GP/ vets/ dentist waiting rooms, hospital outpatients waiting rooms, tubes, trains, coaches, manufacturing companies, factories, hospital and industrial laundries .....

My dh and I are both full time key workers.

We organised ourselves a couple of weeks ago so that he is now doing evening shifts and weekend shifts so the dc can stay home with him in the day. Fortunately his employer accommodated this.

I can continue working school time hours as my job has less flexibility.

We are both worried as key workers are we cannot work from home so we are already 2 people who could bring the virus into our home. Which is why I do not want to send out my 3 dc into schools to risk bringing it home!! More people leaving the home = more risk.

I think the message needs to be stronger that children should be sent as a LAST resort.

For the safety of all children in attendance and of course the employees remaining. Less people attending means less risk. This message needs to be more forceful.

And if there is a sahm then there should be no allowance, unless other issues are present (severely over crowded home, safeguarding issues, parent/sibling disabled etc) but schools should already be aware of these issues.

I have depression and anxiety. The next few months will be extremely difficult. That doesnt mean it's ok to risk teachers and spreading infection by taking my child into school

So you will cope - that's great. Not everyone would. Which would ultimately affect the children too.

Oh get a grip ffs. You're clutching at straws now. I grew up with a severely depressed mother. You couldn't see the colour of our carpets due to dirty clothing until I was old enough to do it myself. You don't need to lecture on how this affects children.

I would seriously hope that if things were that bad, they'd already be known to the school as vulnerable. I know this is definitely the case in my relatives school, and they are doing everything they can to get seriously neglected kids in - including offering a minibus.

If you are holding down a job, (selling car parts) and your DH is holding down a job (a designer) I am 99% sure you are coping with life and your kids are not being neglected.

Yes you may "struggle". Newsflash, it's a global pandemic and we're all struggling.

The piss takers who feel no guilt at abusing support for essential staff I would presume are the same people busy stockpiling, having manicures and having group lunches.

That’s the mandate schools usually have. Support children and families

Well sorry, in a climate where many still have to work and be put at relative risk, I think that mandate should still apply to all children who would benefit from it.

How do you know that? Who makes you the judge of that? People with MH issues often hide them very well, doesn't mean they don't have them, doesn't mean they will cope.

Why are you assuming there is? The poster has posted at length. Their child is going to childcare because she works in the car industry (vaguely) and he is far too busy and important.

Are you also going to assume theres physical disability?

You dont want to answer what happens to vulnerable kids, because you know what happens. They end up in a worse situation, so people like the above poster can still their kids in.

You arent a politician. Fair enough, you will leave either to them. Politicians said children should only be sent to school where parents can not, not work and theres no alternative.....as a last resort. Lots of people have alternatives.

If it's to the politicians to decide, they decided. But that's not good enough for you. Only good enough when it's a cop out for you?

The more kids in school, the bigger the risk of it spreading too fast for the NHS to cope. So yes, piss takers sending their kids to school for no reason, will be contributing to that spread. Schools have been partially closed for that very reason.

Where there is an alternative, kids should not be going to help stop the spread.

Are you missing the fact that it's not just children of keyworkers, it's vulnerable children and those with an EHCP too? Jesus fucking Christ.

Remind parents that their kids are going to be hanging out with the health care professionals kids at school - these kids will likely get it and then give to their kids.....maybe they will change their minds

I think that mandate should still apply to all children who would benefit from it.

That covers all children.

So all children should be in school then?

Except they cant, because that will spread the virus more quickly.

You are going round in circles. You want schools to be open to any child that benefits all children, attending school, get a benefit out of it. But, since you seem to unaware, theres a pandemic. All kids cant go.

If the Government taking this drastic step isn't enough, what proof would be acceptable?