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66 replies

Grumpyoldpersonwithcats · 20/03/2020 15:41

So teachers will decide GCSE and A level results?

That'll work then.

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ClassicallyConditioned · 20/03/2020 16:42

@Oakmaiden My subject is AQA, but we had to do them for all qualifications across all exam boards

IkeaSlave · 20/03/2020 16:43

Although it would be nice to think teachers are not subject to unconscious bias and influenced by pushy parents, A level predicted grades (for ucas applications) are wrong 80% of the time and disproportionately negatively affect bame students and poor students.
There is also a massive financial pressure for private schools. Our local one gave so many children 9s last year in mocks. Hardly any actually got mocks when up against the rest of the best the UK could offer.

IkeaSlave · 20/03/2020 16:43

Sorry ... hardly any got 9s

GivenchyDahhling · 20/03/2020 16:43

For the government advice (for England, not Scotland and Wales):

“To produce this, teachers will take into account a range of evidence and data including performance on mock exams and non-exam assessment – clear guidance on how to do this fairly and robustly will be provided to schools and colleges. The exam boards will then combine this information with other relevant data, including prior attainment, and use this information to produce a calculated grade for each student, which will be a best assessment of the work they have put in.”

Note - clear guidance WILL be provided to schools and colleges. So those schools (at the behest of LEAs) who have submitted already have done so without using the guidance.. Hmm

TSSDNCOP · 20/03/2020 16:45

I work in a school in England. No way has this even started to happen yet. It’s irresponsible to peddle incorrect, inflammatory boohockey at a time when students, teachers and parents are reeling at the decision and it’s potential consequences.

ClassicallyConditioned · 20/03/2020 16:45

@GivenchyDahhling we were given guidance that I doubt was very different to anything else that will be pushed out. Staff don't have access to SINS outside of school so the grades we submitted will be final.

Musmerian · 20/03/2020 16:46

@ClassicallyConditioned - that’s categorically not the case. The individual exam boards haven’t had time to respond to the government information and neither have schools. We had our final day today - big independent academic day school and we spent the day sorting planning and remote learning strategies. They can’t possibly have submitted ‘them’ because there is no them yet. We suspect it’ll be a prediction based on a mixture of our data, mocks, coursework etc this will then be sent off and checked against schools prior performance and then standardised by exam boards and governments. I don’t know why people post such confident pronouncements when they have no clue.

GivenchyDahhling · 20/03/2020 16:48

^^

What @musmerian said.

ClassicallyConditioned · 20/03/2020 16:48

@Musmerian Yes as I said, other types of schools (such as independents like yours) may be doing something different. I can only speak of my experience in a state school

TSSDNCOP · 20/03/2020 16:50

It’s to sound important @Musmerian

Quite sad isn’t it?

TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince · 20/03/2020 16:52

No, they haven’t been submitted.

The exam boards will probably ask for every single mark that teachers have, and then mash them all together, with some room for error.

And OP didn’t seem to think it would work. We do it all the time. Kids who are ill during exams all get it line this. Remember that lots of teachers have done exam board marking and moderating. So they are aware of standards. We won’t favour or penalise anyone. Everyone is judged on a level playing g field, even if they’ve driven us insane all year.

It’s what we do.

Knowhowufeel2 · 20/03/2020 16:52

That will be crap for my dd as she doesn't do well in mocks, but does much better in the real thing, which she actually studies for. That and she's not well liked with teachers due to behavioural issues (she has autism).

itsgettingweird · 20/03/2020 16:58

They have to have evidence! So in house assessments and mock papers etc.
So teachers tracking pages of assessments will be scanned and sent alongside the grade the got in the mock alongside prior attainment and the predicted grade.

GivenchyDahhling · 20/03/2020 16:59

As this isn’t The Staffroom I just want to reassurance parents reading this about something (not about grades already being submitted - I think there are enough of us debunking this).

Teachers are human and I would be lying if I said I liked all the children I teach all of the time and most of us have been accused at some point of not liking a student; or picking on them (by the student, parent, or both). However, when it comes to exams I ALWAYS want EVERY student to achieve the best possibly grade. No exceptions. Even those that are difficult, spend more time kicked out of class than in, and try and make my life as hard as they possibly can - on results day I am delighted if they achieve a good grade, and disappointed if they don’t achieve their full potential.

So if you think that the teacher “not liking” your DS/DD means they won’t give them a good grade - you’re wrong.

LizzieSiddal · 20/03/2020 17:02

For goodness sake, they won’t be making this decision blind. They have mocks and predicted grades. Plus I’m sure a child will be able to appeal if they don’t agree. Teachers aren’t going to make stuff up!

Worriedteacher2018 · 20/03/2020 17:05

We submitted ours today too . It was an estimate but I know my class and do feel confident I was accurate. Every year I am generally right on what my classes actually achieve. Of course some outperform each year and some do a bit worse but I suppose that’s why there’s an appeals process. I understand kids will be able to sit exams at a later date if they’re really unhappy. There is no other option as far as I can see. It was a sad and serious process but I’ve done my best for my students that I can whilst being professional and being able to justify my decisions.

Standrewsschool · 20/03/2020 17:05

My son only submitted his final coursework this afternoon.

Worriedteacher2018 · 20/03/2020 17:10

To clarify when I say submitted I mean submitted my predictions of likely performance to an internal system. This will of course be subject to scrutiny and adjusted for any exam board guidance once received.

RufustheLanglovingreindeer · 20/03/2020 17:15

Dd has been told her ‘grade’ in one subject

She is a little disappointed as she felt she could get a grade higher in the exam but it is what she was predicted

She did ask should She email one of her teachers and put her case...but the poor sod is probably being inundated Grin so no

jinxpixie · 20/03/2020 17:20

The predicted grades due today are the normal predicted grades sent out BEFORE the normal exam time

These predicted grades are NOT going to be used to give the final student grade.

There is going to need to be evidence to back the teachers predictions eg mock grades and assessment grades throughout the course. The teachers can NOT just pick random grades however much you pay them.

Lemonsole · 20/03/2020 17:21

Students who are confident that their teachers have got it wrong have the opportunity to sit an exam in September.
I think this is a good solution. Less of an administrative nightmare than everyone sitting everything; students and parents will have to think very carefully about whether the grade awarded is actually unfair or not, and they won't be able simply to take a punt and appeal any that they don't like.

Bridecilla · 20/03/2020 17:23

I didn't sleep last night and I've cried on and off all day. I teach a GCSE subject to adults and young people.

I've already had dozens of emails from parents demanding a grade 4 and from adults begging for a 4. I'm devastated and feeling under huge pressure. I'm stepping back from it all until we have further guidance.

RufustheLanglovingreindeer · 20/03/2020 17:24

These predicted grades are NOT going to be used to give the final student grade

This is not what dd has been told...but that may well be partly due to coursework etc being taken into account, would probably be more difficult if purely exam based

Or her teacher has got it wrong

Any of the above really

RufustheLanglovingreindeer · 20/03/2020 17:25

adults begging for a 4

Heart breaking for you Flowers

Haskell · 20/03/2020 17:30

We only had the announcement this afternoon so no, they haven't been submitted!
Haven't been given any kind of timeline yet.