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An Emergency Universal Salary paid to all...
PieceOfMaria · 19/03/2020 11:27
Regardless of means.
The idea currently being mooted the government.
I have an issue with this, or at least with elements of it. I don’t need the money. My DHs industry may well be impacted in the long term like everybody’s, but in the short to medium term he can WFH and is being paid in full and that’s pretty unlikely to change due to the nature of his sector. Plus we have ample savings.
Plenty of people including many retired people on comfortable pensions with relatively few outgoings won’t need the money. People who already exist entirely on benefits could argue that they need more money, but they can’t really argue that the CV crisis has left them much worse off than they already were, with the possible exception of those whose children were getting free school meals and now won’t be.
The people who will REALLY REALLY need the money are most self employed people whose work will dry up overnight. Low to middle income working people who were only just managing to keep the plates spinning anyway and now must be feeling sick with worry about their finances. Many household name firms will potentially go under because of this. People who work in small businesses and services that are dependent on footfall and face to face interaction are extremely vulnerable right now and will be losing their jobs as we speak. Airline staff are now facing redundancy or long periods of unpaid leave.
I don’t want any money Boris. Please, please means test this, so there is more to go around for those who are genuinely going to struggle within weeks or even days. I’m not one of them. There will be hundreds of thousand of people who can say hand on heart that they are not one of them either.
makingmiracles · 19/03/2020 12:23
I really hope this idea is rolled out. Dp job Is no vital and currently waiting to hear wether or not they’ll close, they were due to be making redundancies at the end of this month anyway... I was due to start a job with vulnerable ld adults next week and now that has been postponed due to the risks of the adults moving into their new home. We’ve been living on a shoestring for over a year already due to exp no longer paying cm(terminal illness) and then dps overtime that we had come to rely on weekly, completely dried up when company was taken over so no overtime for past year.
It’s all so uncertain, only saving grace for us is we’re in HA housing so that’s one worry that’s taken off the table, but bill paying wise I mean not sure what we’ll do if he just gets laid off.
SilverySurfer · 19/03/2020 12:26
I find this hard to believe as the cost would be astronomical. Some Labour voters have suggested this in the past but I cannot see it happening in the real world. I believe the Government are in the process of speeding up the benefit system which makes more sense.
OP, can you give a link to anything about this? I've googled but come up with nothing.
notalwaysalondoner · 19/03/2020 12:27
If you don’t need it (we don’t and could probably live for years off our savings) the best thing to do is to spend it quickly with local and small businesses or those with lots of contractors (including retailers). I’d always been against the idea of a universal income in normal times but in this situation it actually makes perfect sense and probably much more effective for kick starting the economy than a load of random and disconnected bailouts and stimulus.
Babyroobs · 19/03/2020 12:28
I doubt it would be paid to pensioners most of whom have a secure income from pensions or pension credit already. People on benefits already have guaranteed income coming in. If those on Universal credit get less or no pay they will still get the basic amount of UC with no deductions , lots of people don't need it so shouldn't get it. I understand that what the government is trying to do is avoid the complexities of means testing everyone and avoid the UC system being swamped with new claims so I think there will be some kind of payment but to certain groups. If we are paid it I will donate it to my son who has lost his job temporarily whilst the schools have closed.
Twasbambam · 19/03/2020 12:28
We are a disabled family living on benefits. So our income isn't affected but our outgoings have been already.
No more hunting for bargains at aldi, our weekly shop has doubled in price (having to order online as have been asked to self isolate for 12 weeks!)
Dc now at home and heating on most of the time as it is a very cold house and dc has asthma. Our utilities will shoot up, usually me and dh just put extra layers on when dc is not here.
I hope they do this.
QueenOfThorns · 19/03/2020 12:29
What about issuing everyone with a pre paid card for say £1000 that can only be spent in local shops, not online chains
Unless those local shops are going to deliver, surely that would just mean that more people were in contact with one another and increase the spread of the virus?
Thetigeronthewobbelboard · 19/03/2020 12:30
While I agree with much of what you are saying, I think it would be impossible to implement if it wasn’t for everyone. How do you take into account salaries? Out goings such as rent which will vary across the country? Self employed income?
However I would say give the money to a food bank or something like that if you can live with out. That’s if this even happens. I can’t see it will sadly. It would make a big difference to me at the moment.
MotherofKitties · 19/03/2020 12:30
If this happens, and it's not means tested, I suspect it's for ease and speed, not because they want to give wealthy people who don't need it more money.
There are hundreds of thousands of people in this country who if not yet made redundant, are going to be very soon, and an awful lot of families who desperately need money NOW to pay rent, mortgages and bills, and if the government does this, it can't afford the time it would take to means test the entire country.
Hopefully, if this does happen, there will be the option to pay the money back for those who feel they don't need it, and then it will come down to each persons honesty and genuine need. I just hope that for everyone who's struggling and will be struggling very shortly some kind of relief comes soon.
BennyVegas · 19/03/2020 12:30
It's hard to say whether means testing would be worthwhile without knowing the proportion of the population who are financially impacted.
Most friends and colleagues I know are not financially impacted. The company I'm currently working for have said they will continue to pay staff who are having to look after children if they just do as much work as they are able from home around that. Everyone else is working from home, actually saving money as not paying to travel or retired.
REdReDRE · 19/03/2020 12:32
If they did this and we could get half of my normal salary (which would be £750 after tax) I could take unpaid leave from my (non essential and likely to be impacted) work which would ease their cash flow and allow me to concentrate on the children. Hopefully would mean my work would still be there in a few months. It would be a great relief. My husband is a key worker so obviously the childcare and home educating will fall almost entirely to me.
dottiedodah · 19/03/2020 12:34
The point is many wealthy pensioners dont" need " the heating allowance or a free bus pass either .?Many wealthy families have free school meals for under 7 s . No one knows if someone needs it and it would take too long to administer .We are not in desperate need either ,but would welcome a cash boost (who wouldnt) .With probably keeping some ,and giving say a third to food charities and so on. I risk being shot down on here a second time ,but I really admire Boris and the Governments help at this very difficult time .I was unsure about voting for him and voted for Jo Swinson instead ,however all due respect to Ms Swinson I doubt she would have coped as well as BJ in these difficult circumstances .
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