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China begins to reopen

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Cam77 · 19/03/2020 08:37

And anticipating in advance any anti China stuff, at least take a look at this first. By Dr Richard Horton, Editor of the Lancet Medical Journal:

..... “By 2020, a new generation of Chinese scientists had learned their lesson. Under immense pressure (in Jan 2020), as the epidemic exploded around them, they took time to write up their findings in a foreign language and seek publication in a medical journal thousands of miles away....

The Chinese scientists pulled no punches. “The number of deaths is rising quickly,” they wrote. The provision of personal protective equipment for health workers was strongly recommended. Testing for the virus should be done immediately a diagnosis was suspected. They concluded that the mortality rate was high. And they urged careful surveillance of this new virus in view of its “pandemic potential”.
...Their rapid and rigorous work was an urgent warning to the world. We owe those scientists enormous thanks.

That was in January. Why did it take the UK government eight weeks to recognise the seriousness of what we now call Covid-19?

But medical and scientific advisers to the UK government ignored their warnings. For unknown reasons they waited. And watched.

The scientists advising ministers seemed to believe that this new virus could be treated much like influenza. Graham Medley, one of the government’s expert scientific advisers, was disarmingly explicit. In an interview on Newsnight last week, he explained the UK’s approach: to allow a controlled epidemic of large numbers of people, which would generate “herd immunity”. Our scientists recommended “a situation where the majority of the population are immune to the infection. And the only way of developing that, in the absence of a vaccine, is for the majority of the population to become infected.”

Medley suggested that, “ideally”, we might need “a nice big epidemic” among the less vulnerable. “What we are going to have to try and do,” he said, was to “manage this acquisition of herd immunity and minimise the exposure of people who are vulnerable.” Sir Patrick Vallance, the government’s chief scientific adviser, suggested that the target was to infect 60% of the UK’s population.

After weeks of inaction, the government announced a sudden U-turn on Monday, declaring that new modelling by scientists at Imperial College had convinced them to change their initial plans. Many journalists, led by the BBC, reported that “the science had changed” and so the government had responded accordingly. But this interpretation of events is wrong. The science has been the same since January. What changed is that government advisers at last understood what had really taken place in China”
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“Something has gone badly wrong in the way the UK has handled Covid-19. I know Chris Whitty, the chief medical officer, and Patrick Vallance. I have the utmost respect for both. They have had the services of some of the most talented researchers in the world to draw on. But somehow there was a collective failure among politicians and perhaps even government experts to recognise the signals that Chinese and Italian scientists were sending. We had the opportunity and the time to learn from the experience of other countries. For reasons that are not entirely clear, the UK missed those signals. We missed those opportunities.

In due time, there must be a reckoning. I sat with the director general of the World Health Organization, Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, in Geneva in February. He was in despair. Tedros had been criticised for not calling a public health emergency of international concern sooner. But when he did and when he asked for the modest sum of $675m to help the WHO combat the growing global pandemic his pleas were ignored.

Full article here:
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/18/coronavirus-uk-expert-advice-wrong

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NewName2020 · 19/03/2020 08:39

This isn't an AIBU. Post it in the CV topic.

Cam77 · 19/03/2020 08:41

Oh my mistake, these days everything seems to be already focused in the CV topic so I just posted without looking. Hopefully they will delete/move.

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Allaboardthemagicbus2020 · 19/03/2020 08:56

I’m not sure how helpful this is, OP. The author of that piece is a doctor and an editor of the Lancet, very respected journal, but he is not a virologist/epidemiologist/computational biologist.

There are surely several ways to approach understanding contagion, spread, and treatment. Once they had understood the science of how evidence in China showed how the virus presented and acted in people and which drugs they had tried, they had to them think of how people behave under these circumstances. Different countries culture dictates different behavioural patterns. In Ireland, people seem to have taken a very direct, quick approach of stay in and settle down. Children are not meeting in large groups outside of school which has been closed, and not seeing grandparents. Everyone sees it as their role to police their own behaviour.

In London, my housemate has had friends over. After I cleaned the house. It’s a joke to her therefore she will not take anyone else’s health into account. If the UK had said to us to stay in more and with a bit more urgency, we would have had so many people taking it as an affront to their right to be independent. It is a characteristic that runs through the UK identity. Particularly as the Tories are in power, it would have been seen as authoritarian and people would react to that. Ironically, I think that the government have been ensuring they get as much in place as possible to protect, identify and care for the vulnerable whilst abating hysteria and panic- it has been quietly, slowly moving in the background so everyone, including our healthcare workers are protected.

I suspect that the busiest people now are not on social media talking about the lack of something or other. They are busy closing the gaps where problems could arise, focusing on what we can and are doing and giving the very best of themselves at this time.

There are lots of quiet, steady, intelligent people out there. Listen hard and you will sense their presence.

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