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To think that the years of I'm alright jack are now coming home to roost

132 replies

eachtotheirownnow · 19/03/2020 06:49

The tories have eroded public services and promoted self reliance heavily and this has made society into one where people look after themselves and it's every person out for themselves.

We are seeing the impact of this first hand more now as we all think more about me first and sod the rest

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Glaceon · 19/03/2020 10:14

Agree completely.

Aswell as the (usually boomer) landlords who live beyond their own means funded by benefits and a poorer family, Inhibiting that families ability to save money by taking it all in extortionate rents.

Plenty of them now getting a taste of what theyve put others through for years.

lmcneil003 · 19/03/2020 10:15

Well no, of course if my kids were sat hungry I wouldn't wander off with the last more of food and donate it to the neighbour. That doesn't make me not community spirited does it for goodness sake

I said SHARE, i.e. you have some and neighbor has some. Not give it all to them so you have nothing...pls READ what I write.

SerendipityJane · 19/03/2020 10:17

Me too. There’s always been a sense of community here though and it’s a very safe Tory seat.

Bit like where DB lives. Lots of lovely "let's pull together" posts etc etc. He popped on to suggest they give a thought for the homeless that are scattered throughout the borough, and got a rather sniffy PM reminding him that "community" meant our community.

CatherineOfAragonsPomegranate · 19/03/2020 10:25

Bashing one’s own country often seems to me to be a more popular exercise among Brits (or at least among the English) than in most other nationalities.

I have tremendous love for my country, but when I saw the behaviour of people on the few times I have struggled I've seen that they don't have any love for people like me or others. Love for country should include those in it. Not just some nice glowly idea of patriotism.

The80sweregreat · 19/03/2020 10:29

I agree that the war time spirit wasn't always the way it's portrayed. My parents lived through the war and they said there was self preservation going on and the black market etc. People could still be selfish and bitchy as well as helpful and compassionate!

PerkingFaintly · 19/03/2020 11:00

I disagree that the ability to tax the richest and set up the National Health Service and make social changes arose from: "patriotism and good will that was born of overcoming the war." (I don't know the book and am merely responding to the post.)

Eg a lot of people were very shocked that the epitome of patriotism, the war time prime minister, Winston Churchill, was deposed in the 1945 general election in favour of a Labour government promising those changes.

IMHO it's much more the case that the Second World War, like the First, suddenly changed the value the country assigned to different individuals.

The rich suddenly found they needed things from other people that money just couldn't buy –like running into machine gun fire or digging them out of a bombed house with a UXB still in it. Or turning up to work at the hospital day after day, night after night. Or just digging for victory at the allotment.

And the people who did those things found themselves suddenly visible and valued by people who'd been considered "above" them in the peacetime social and economic structure. (On a human level they often found themselves equal just by getting to know each other as war work fractured hierarchies.)

Those lower in the peacetime socio-economic scale gained immense bargaining power, and an awareness of their own worth leading to a feeling of greater entitlement – a worth which was recognised by those further up the peacetime scale, who also felt a sense of moral obligation.

So I would contend that fuzzy, unspecified feelings of "patriotism" were no more responsible for social and economic change after WW2 than "patriotism" was responsible for women getting the vote after WW1. What happened was that a structurally disadvantaged group became much more visible and their unbuyable co-operation much more necessary to those who'd previously held power. The disadvantaged group were able to leverage this, where previous appeals to "good will" or "natural justice" had been met with silence intermitted with sneers that the disadvantaged must be innately inferior.

And, this is what we're about to see with healthcare workers.

I've been on these boards long enough to see the attitudes of some posters, smug with their private healthcare, or being incredibly nasty when junior doctors, nurses or other HCPs say that working conditions and pay are endangering both their professions and the services. The contemptuous sneers at low-paid essential workers like care workers, simply for being low-paid – they're "not contributing" apparently.Hmm

Well a whole load of people who've spent years minimising their tax burden are about to find out that, actually, low-paid workers ARE contributing. In fact, may be contributing MORE than themselves.

A lot of people are suddenly going to become aware for the first time just how much their life depends on the labour, skill and personal sacrifices of a low-paid, zero-hours worker they'd previously demonised for having a job that couldn't cover the rent.

Valkadin · 19/03/2020 11:06

The blitz spirit did exist but it’s pushed forward and the negative stuff gets lost. Not discussed so much are the strikes during this time, rapes by allied troops and French women having their heads being shaved in public post liberation to jeering mobs if they had slept with German soldiers. I’m sure some of them didn’t have a choice and were enforced mistresses.

CatherineOfAragonsPomegranate · 19/03/2020 11:09

Why 'bully for me'? Because I see others trying to help and don't believe that everyone is a horrible selfish person?

I don't believe everyone is a horrible selfish person. But what I have seen is selfishness in the main in the overall that is why I refer to pockets of community feeling.

The evidence for this is supermarkets having to announce specific times for those with health conditions and the elderly to shop. A measure that should not and would not be necessary if everyone else, ie the most able and least likely to be badly affected by the illness actually gave a fig about everyone else.

That is disgusting

As to my 'bully for you' comment, I agree that was snarky and unwarranted. Apologies. Just upset.

It does seem those stories of the war belonged to a different generation, maybe at a time when community mattered more, but I guess I shouldn't be surprised. I frequently am blanked after saying 'good morning' around here.

Mintypylonsfryingsurplus · 19/03/2020 11:09

@perkingFaintly Yes agree maybe its finally time to stop the adulation of celeb wannabees, bankers, reality TV stars, overpaid sports people and the other pointless crap that fuels mass consumerism, buying tat and general materialism which seems so meaningless.

SerendipityJane · 19/03/2020 11:11

Yes agree maybe its finally time to stop the adulation of celeb wannabees, bankers, reality TV stars, overpaid sports people and the other pointless crap that fuels mass consumerism, buying tat and general materialism which seems so meaningless

I nicked this from another thread ...

To think that the years of I'm alright jack are now coming home to roost
lynsey91 · 19/03/2020 11:13

@ravenmum I don't think that is the case. People are offering to get food or other items for people and leave them on their doorstep so no contact.

Waspnest · 19/03/2020 11:15

I'm seeing the opposite, WhatsApp and Facebook are full of offers of people to go and fetch us supplies, offering to support older people, childrens entertainment offering free skype toddler groups, teachers offering to help with home tutoring, people offering cakes to health care workers.
I actually think this is showing Britain will pull together in times of need, but you carry on blaming the tories

Yes same here. I don't know where you are OP but I don't think it reflects what's going on in the rest of the country.

CatherineOfAragonsPomegranate · 19/03/2020 11:15

That's brilliant @SerendipityJane

I thanked the staff in my local Tesco's yesterday. They have been troopers.

One thing I do hope comes out of this is people appreciating those who formerly seemed invisible.

SerendipityJane · 19/03/2020 11:17

I actually think this is showing Britain will pull together in times of need, but you carry on blaming the tories

The fact is you can do both at the same time. Some people have been for years.

Wallowinginfilth · 19/03/2020 11:21

SerendipityJane
Abso-fucking-lutely

Wallowinginfilth · 19/03/2020 11:22

Sorry and minty 😁

ravenmum · 19/03/2020 11:24

People are offering to get food or other items for people and leave them on their doorstep so no contact.
There's quite a lot of talk where I am (not UK) about how long the virus survives on various materials. Three days on plastic.

Wallowinginfilth · 19/03/2020 11:27

PerkingFaintly i got a little teary reading your post at 11:00 so true.

Reginabambina · 19/03/2020 11:40

@PerkingFaintly that’s what I meant by good will. I apologise for the awkward phrasing, I was just trying to get the point across as quickly as possible. I.e. good will from those at the top to those down below. Feelings of obligation etc.

Here is a link for the book on audible (you can listen for free on a 30 day trial). It’s very interesting and very short.

www.audible.co.uk/pd/The-Future-of-Capitalism-Audiobook/0241382297?source_code=M2M14DFT1BkSH082015011R&ds_rl=1235779&ipRedirectOverride=true

AwrightDoreenTakeAFuckinDayOff · 19/03/2020 11:48

Couldn’t agree more @mothertruck3r

Blair was the de’il incarnate.

But it matters not one jot who is in power for a situation like this. They would all flounder whichever party it was. Rather than the political posturing flouncing and flapping - they need to link together and work hard to try to keep us afloat.

In our area, folk have always looked after eachother. We have done it for years and do it now. We are of all political persuasions. Doesn’t stop us doing right by eachother.

Serendipityjane · 19/03/2020 11:58

But it matters not one jot who is in power for a situation like this. They would all flounder whichever party it was. Rather than the political posturing flouncing and flapping - they need to link together and work hard to try to keep us afloat.

With all the wartime references surrounding us, it's worth remembering that we had a Government of National Unity "during the war".

So things clearly aren't that bad, obviously.

Iggly · 19/03/2020 12:02

I agree and find it interesting just how defensive conservative voters are about this.
Bigger picture is that the NHS cannot cope mainly because it has been under funded 🤷🏻‍♀️

If the NHS had had better funding then we would be better placed to cope.

Francina670 · 19/03/2020 12:03

Excellent post perking.

I hope this does lead to a change in society such as we saw after WW2. The way the poor and vulnerable have been treated in this country over the last 10 years is appalling.

Iggly · 19/03/2020 12:04

But it matters not one jot who is in power for a situation like this

Disagree.
The Tory chancellor decided to give money to the banks who then give to businesses without a thought for individuals who’s jobs are at risk.

He forgot about renters, about people who’ve got unstable income, about childcare providers, I could go on.
That’s the Tories for you.

SerendipityJane · 19/03/2020 12:04

I agree and find it interesting just how defensive conservative voters are about this.

If this continues much longer, they will be a rare species ... and that isn't a bad taste joke. Just a suggestion that in a few weeks time, admitting to being an out and out "Conservative" might not be a very popular thing. Much like nobody (apparently ...) voted for Nixon ...