AIBU to tell a family returning from Spain that they can’t come in for 7 days

[Freddiefox]

I manage a nursery and a family is returning from Spain this week from a holiday.

Would I be unreasonable to tell them they can’t come back for 7 days.

The guidance for schools : specified counties and areas with implications for returning travellers or visitors arriving in the UK in the last 14 has been withdrawn and replaced with

Stay at home: guidance for people with symptoms of covid 19.
They aren’t showing any symptoms yet

YABU

Yanbu
I’m in Ireland and coming back from Spain you would need to self isolate for 14 days

You don’t have any reason to deny them if not symptomatic now the guidance has changed. Plus the incubation period is longer than 7 days anyway so what good will it do?

Where have they been

Madrid has a mass of cases the test are dispersed around the country

Yanbu
I’m in Ireland and coming back from Spain you would need to self isolate for 14 days

Lots of very clear info from Ireland. UK not so clear and a bit gunho.

The new guidelines are based on the WHO findings. Very low risk of being transmitted from an asymptomatic person.

YANBU. I enforced 14 days for family member coming back from Italy. Now has symptoms, awaiting outcome of test. So I have no regrets.

Is it your nursery?
If not, what does your employer say?

Given they are coming from somewhere that's just gone into lockdown they may self isolate anyway. And there are likely to be as many people in the UK with it anyway, they just don't know it yet.

It’s not mine nursery, committee run nursery. They are happy for me to make the choice.

@Indella unfortunately that is utter nonsense. Spreader Steve in brighton wandered around unwillingly infecting people as he was asymptomatic.

The virus is aerosolised and highly infectious, and the U.K. are being criticised by the WHO for not following their guidance to flatten the curve of the outbreak.

Op it would be more responsible to follow the guidance from ROI which is more closely aligned to the WHO/

its still ISO for 14 days back from a red area the 7 days is for symptoms and honestly should be 14 but I think they said 7 as 14 sounded too much rathr than it is they have just confused matters

*unwittingly

@pandarific That’s a screenshot from the WHO page. They state it’s very low risk. There may be isolated cases of the opposite happening but in general it’s very low risk. I wouldn’t call WHO guidelines utter nonsense.

Yanbu. Where I live, its is 14 days compulsory self isolation when returning from abroad.

Fair enough!

I still don't think it's at all responsible to let them come however, considering the fact that they are coming from a locked down country - and considering what's at stake. It's about flattening the curve at this point.

The 14 days for returning travellers / contacts was taking account of incubation period.

If you’re isolating someone with symptoms you don’t need to worry about an incubation period because they’ve already got it. Hence 7 days. Low chance of shedding virus without symptoms (not zero)

I suspect it’s futile to ask them to not come in for either 7 or 14 days. Depending where you live you probably already have widespread community transmission or will very soon.

YANBU.

YANBU - your nursery, your rules.

I doubt other parents would be happy to have children just back from Spain mingling with theirs, symptoms or no symptoms.

What would be the consequences if one of the family turn out to be positive and you have to close the nursery?

If this were my child's nursery and I found out they'd knowingly put my family at risk like this I'd be furious and withdrawing my little one from your care immediately.

People do not realize how serious this is. For many if they catch this they know they'd be likely to die. I am one of those people. This is not just a flipping flu!

Wow. In Alberta, Canada we have 56 cases, an increase of 17 in the last 24 hours. They believe some are community spread. They were previously all travel related.

All schools and day cares are now closed. Anyone returning from overseas must self isolate for 14 days.

*If this were my child's nursery and I found out they'd knowingly put my family at risk like this I'd be furious and withdrawing my little one from your care immediately.

People do not realize how serious this is. For many if they catch this they know they'd be likely to die. I am one of those people. This is not just a flipping flu!*

Well your anger would be misplaced. Point your anger at the government. There is no guidance, other than stay home if you have a cough or a temp. Nothing else. I get sent advice from my LA 4 days after it’s been released. Schools/nursery, well everyone really are being left to make it up as we go along.

Do you have any staff/ children with health issues? That would sway me.
You might lose that 1 family but you could have many others pull out if they become aware

But they’re no more likely to have contracted it than anyone else at the nursery?

I would be asking them to wait 14 days before using the nursery. It's seems reasonable if the government are talking about isolating the over 70's for four months in around 20 days.