Does anyone think Boris is right?

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I'm not saying I do. But I'm curious to see if anyone agrees with the strategy they're going for as most of what I'm reading is against.

For me it was darned obvious ages ago that for every DOCUMENTED case of CV there will be many more.

People, be aware that the true number of people infected in the UK is massively underestimated in the official numbers.

Indeed - which means the death rate is also a lot lower than it seems.

Boris is surrounded by experts and I agree with the actions they’ve taken so far. It’s the panic buyers and hysterics who are the greatest threat to others at the moment.

The way the WHO sat on it I`m not convinced by them either!

'No. He’s worried about the economy tanking. He’s worried about his rich mates. We’re collateral damage.'

If the economy fails it will affect every single one of us, rich or poor.

I think the UK experts are managing a hellish situation as best as they can.

Every country is experimenting with lives.

If the economy fails it will affect every single one of us, rich or poor

Absolutely. In fact, the very rich will be the only ones spared if the economy tanks. It will be the small business owners and those already in poverty or living pay check to pay check who will have their benefits slashed who will suffer. Can people really not see this? If the economy goes, we are all completely screwed and it wont be the rich who will suffer

No. The man is a bumbling fool.

I can see why people are saying that we are being treated as guinea pigs, in other words that we are being experimented on....
but since this situation is unprecedented surely any action that the government takes has to be experimental?

I'm a swing voter and I was very pleased with Boris to begin with.
The chief medical officer and the science officer would have been advising corbyn too.

I feel sir Patrick is too extreme and when people talk in extremes I loose my trust.
Sir Patrick has made up his mind.

So for instance he says things like '' if we closed schools it would be for 16 weeks, children don't get this ''

Nearly every other country has school closures for covid cases, we do not. Closures for several weeks to slow down the spread. We do not..

Instead of turning on and off taps to help the NHS, they are fueling this to spread.
Sir Patrick is very confident that covid doesn't spread in a meaningful way in large gatherings. Our common sense tells us that is not true. Covid lives in the throat and on surfaces. Turn styles toilets, bars, bar staff, glasses, food, bets... Car park machines, standing cheek by Jowl will all help to fuel the spread.

He said children don't get it. Again, very matter of fact. No nonsense. That's it... Of course this black and white narrow approach chucks teaching staff under the bus, office staff, bus drivers, taxi drivers, cleaners, lunch staff... All invisible apparently to sir Patrick?

No special measures have been added into guidance for schools for SEN.

A SPECIAL school with a suspected staff case was told to remain open.

Schools have no provision for isolation students who suddenly fall ill when it might be covid, but no one knows as they refuse to test.

Re testing. 111 is not fit for purpose. Its already failing people. The advice from the start of covid has been chaotic, confusing. Sending people to the doctors and back again. Days for call backs then calls are not logged...

Sir Patrick has now created more chaos with a 7 days measures.

Even though cases have appeared after 3 weeks incubation.

Boris said early on almost under his breath '' there's an argument to just let this run through us, personally I'd rather mitigate that ''.

Sir Patrick I think is off his rocker. I think he needs to be ill and trying to access care through 111. He needs to be in this system, waiting for help terrified, waiting hours for an ambulance, stuck with a very sick relative not knowing what to do.

He has taken direct steps to fuel this fire and it will be raging all around us.
They will surpress figures and twist the truth. They have had since January to prepare and only now are they even mentioning buying ventilator. I think they are out of their depth.

I think sir Patrick is a very very dangerous man.

I have no idea whether he is right or wrong as I don't have the same information. It won't have been his decision though, it will have been down to the "experts".

I'm not convinced there is one right way though and there is no actual way of telling anyway.

Yes, I do. As others have pointed out, the decisions are made by a committee. We’re not doing what other countries are doing but why do we think they are doing the right thing?

I think he's right. I think people are panicking and it's driving me nuts. I think the elderly and those with health conditions need to be kept away from kids.

Yes I think he's doing the right thing. Also, people are starting to take responsibility and shut events down, which is better than it being enforced.

Rose991, I'm a pregnant Primary school teacher. Having 34 children in a small classroom means that I cannot physically impose social distancing. Children are asymptomatic, they don't show symptoms but are the biggest carriers and spreaders of the diseases through a combination of poor hygiene and lack of awareness personal space.

I am immunosuppressed, I am literally putting my life at risk without the luxury of PPE that healthcare staff generally are supplied with.

If children aren't at school they are on lockdown, playdates, socialising and visiting play areas should be BANNED as is happening in Rep Ireland. Everyone needs to work together on this.

The other side of the coin is that people state who will look after the children, it can't be grandparents as they are at greater risk. Who do you think lifts them from school for the most part? About 70% of my class are collected by grandparents. I think it is much riskier for them for the children to continue as normal than for them to be isolated.

I loathe BJ and yet I think that we are taking the right approach - following the advice of chief medical officer. I’m prepared in terms of how to support my mother in isolation, but to otherwise carry on as usual.

My only gripe at the moment is that I’d like a bit more info about what constitutes a new continuous cough, and that I do think that the gov should be advising uk citizens against non essential air travel worldwide rather than leaving people with booked holidays to either take the hit financially and make the decision to cancel themselves with no return on the money spent (Insurance or ATOL cover kicking in), and leaving tourist destinations to take the blame/hit by telling us not to come.

I'm so sick of the "parents will be dumping their kids on grandparents" line. I won't. Lots won't.

Boris is a twat and I hate him but what the science guys say does makes sense. We are all (80%) going to get it, it's just a matter of when. Hiding away is just prolonging things.

On mumsnet, it’s very left so anything Boris does will be wrong.

Arf, there are plenty of Tories and Brexiteers on MN!

I, however, am not one of them and Boris is an absolute fuckwit. He's more worried about the economy than saving lives.

Yes.

Yes, he's right
Most of the other countries are just going with the "stick our head in the sand and hope it gets better" but there's no plan B
Boris is accepting reality and being proactive.
Most people won't get this and that is why most people are not leaders.

No.

If we reduce the spread now, we will likely have a vaccine for the most vulnerable to have (as we do with flu jab) by the time it comes around again!

He is evidencing a blatant disregard for the most vulnerable people in our society and putting NHS staff at an unnecessary augmented risk.

He’s an arrogant, self-centred narcissist who has no compassion or empathy.

@Lweji I don’t really see him downplaying he’s said it’s very serious, people will die and in the coming weeks people will have to face severe disruption. I’m my circles people already going well over and above the guidance anyway which I think will have an effect, people are cancelling gatherings of their own accord. People are staying in with colds etc etc

Yes.

This isn't Boris's strategy. Whatever your political views, or opinion of Boris, he's not in charge of this.

It's our chief medical officer and chief scientific officer who are in control. Surprisingly Boris is actually doing why the experts say. It would be easier to give in to the pressure to be seen to put in place more extreme measures.

The science makes sense.

The best we can realistically do is control spread and try to protect the most vulnerable from catching it.

Oh and stop ridiculous levels of panic buying

@Lweji, that Corona simulator was amazing. Here are my results:

www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/corona-simulator/