Sky news 40 million for herd immunity

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Sky new reporting that the plan is for herd immunity 40 million people will need to catch Covid 19. Of those 8 million will be severely ill and out of that 4 million will need hospital care over a three week peak.
So the plan , the aim is for over a million people to die in a herd immunity experiment.
And where would they find four million beds from. How can our county look at Italy and do this, it’s insanity.

Yeah we already know theres probably damage to the lungs that outlasts the virus in the "mild" cases. Reduced exercise tolerance and shortness of breath. Its mentioned on the "nobody panic i recovered from coronavirus" bbc article and several of the medical papers coming of of wuhans doctors.

The alternative? Don't give the virus anyone to infect until it dies out. Close the live animal markets in china. Put more money into research into anti virals. Try not to kill as many people as possible chasing a theory there is no evidence to support is applicable to coronavirus.

Yeh let’s have a chicken pox party with SARS that’s a good idea.

I suppose if your super young and in very good health it might be a good idea

Do you think we can put everyone who thinks this is a good idea in pit? We might safe the lives of a lot of vulnerable people

Follow the governments advice they are being advised by experts. We as individuals are not best placed to decide what's best for the population as a whole so we must do what's within our control stay calm, wash hands, isolate as advised.

Anyone find it fishy that Chris Whitty was mentioning 80% infection rate as reasonable worst case scenario, and now we learn this is the rate we need for herd immunity. It's like they wanted it to be the answer all along.

I'm no conspiracy theorist, but I can't help but feel we're being sold this "herd immunity" theory to get us to comply to carrying on as normal to protect the economy.

Scientists accross the UK have been coming out saying they disagree.

WHO disagrees

Jeremy hunt former health Secretary disagrees

Every other country dealing with the virus disagrees.

China who has got a grip on the virus numbers disagrees.

Italy who are desperately try to get a grip disagrees wishing theyd put in stricter controls sooner.

But trust Boris and wash you hands it will all be fine

1 520 147 Collateral damage (deaths) later...

I have been sitting at home in ROI following the UK and Irish inc NI news and coverage. I have been really trying hard to understand why the UK are acting the way they are. Here all schools, colleges, childcare have been closed. Huge packages have been made available like stat sick pay increased to 310 per week, no lead in time for sick payments. Options being considered to ensure childcare available for health workers. Strong encouragement to wfh where possible. Mass gatherings of over 100 indoors and 500 outdoors banned. Enhanced testing for anyone who has symptoms, clear advice for social distancing. Public attractions closed. Public transport only being filled to 50% capacity to allow space between commuters and lots more. The bit I really don't understand in the UK is the bit about them saying they want to slow down the spread so that the peak doesn't happen allnat once but its seems like what is happening will produce the opposite effect. Why is the UK the only country in Europe following different scientific evidence to everywhere else.

You’re assuming that the 40 million are a cross section of the community including the more vulnerable to get those percentages of people who will be severely ill and die.

The idea will be to get the least vulnerable people to catch it and protect the most vulnerable.

Just to a point - you can’t catch the same cold again

Each cold you catch is a difference variant of the cold virus

The reports of people being reinfected with Covid has been debunked and it’s actually just a 2 stage illness in people with prior health issues

@noblegiraffe but there has been nothing put in place to stop the vulnerable catching it. Everyone with a vulnerable family member in their household should have already been told not to send children to school, only to leave the house for essential reasons, do not have visitors.
Those people should have school work provide, their jobs secure, and full pay if public sector or special government payments if working for private firms or self employed.
All people over the age of 70 should be told to self isolate not forced but strongly advised to only go out for essential reasons.
Yes people would be lonely , yes mental health would increase but many many lives would be saved.

The idea will be to get the least vulnerable people to catch it and protect the most vulnerable

How are you going to tell a virus which members of our population it can and can't infect?

We have made literally no provision, even down to school absence fines still being a thing.

And we are assuming that only the weak die.... or given that Italian doctors today are talking about deciding who we do or dont intubate. Maybe in a healthcare crisis we stop treating the older and vulnerable because the young have a "better" chance of survival, and therefore the death rates amongst the old are higher for that reason

How are you going to tell a virus which members of our population it can and can't infect?

By doing things like keeping schools open so that kids (most likely to have very mild symptoms or not even have any symptoms) aren’t packed off to their elderly grandparents so their parents can still go to work.

Close the live animal markets in china.

I agree that this has to happen. Why isn’t the world putting more pressure on China to clean up its act?

Because they know the virus is going to spread anyway. It's not going to go away by itself! Herd immunity may protect the vulnerable as once we become immune we can't pass it on.

I think the lack of government response puts a pressure on all of us as citizens of the UK to employ some serious social responsibility and bridge the gap between the Government advice and protecting our vulnerable in society.

I am part of a committee running an event for 1600 people this weekend which we have chosen to postpone. We were expecting to be met by a wall of complaints and resistance, especially as it's focussed around younger, less vulnerable people, but the general feeling is that it is the sensible thing to do.

I do feel very much that we are the guinea pigs in all of this, and the government is just buggering on regardless.