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When is it expected to peak & how long until we're back to normal?

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peppersneezes000 · 13/03/2020 08:28

I'm in the rep of Ireland, our schools are closed from today.... I'm just wondering when are they expecting the actual peak of the epidemic to hit, I'm sure the UK & ROI will have similar timelines... When can we expect a return to everyday life? All my kids activities have been cancelled & they are cracking up already, too young to understand the importance of the measures...
Anyone have an idea? Judging by China's recovery I'm thinking maybe mid May?
Our schools here are closed until March 29th but I think that will stretch out longer

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Echobelly · 13/03/2020 08:35

It's kind of a 'how long is a piece of string' question, which could vary a lot depending on how good people are at following advice and whether warmer temperatures slow it down at all.

My understanding is that, in UK at least, we are aiming to slow it down for the next month through social isolation so that NHS is past having to deal with standard winter problems (generally older people with breathing difficulties) and more able to cope with it. I don't think intention is some kind of lockdown until no one is getting it, because that could go on until a vaccine is found - I think they're just trying to mitigate worst effects.

So I don't think things will be 'normal' for some time.

peppersneezes000 · 13/03/2020 08:36

We've already cancelled our holiday to Spain, would love to be able to give the kids a bit of a timeline & reassure them we'll enjoy our summer but who knows😟

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StylishMummy · 13/03/2020 08:37

We're making sure we've got the house and garden packed with activities so this is made easier, anticipating general life put on hold in the U.K. in the next few weeks

lubeybooby · 13/03/2020 08:38

if they successfully flatten the peak I think a fair bit of June will be still at near peak and it looked like actual peak in May, but I'm not sure if anyone can say for sure

okiedokieme · 13/03/2020 08:38

My friend who works for the local ccg said they are working on it peaking in 6 weeks time (late April) based on modelling but currently in my city there's no cases so hard to predict

KenDodd · 13/03/2020 08:40

What puzzles me is, if we end up having a lock down like Italy or China, well, what happens when that's lifted? Does the virus just take off again?

Bluntness100 · 13/03/2020 08:41

The announcement last night said the peak will be late June time. So it will escalate up from now till then. And then the same time period to scale down. So likely sept Oct time.

ChocChip01 · 13/03/2020 08:43

I’m no scientist but this could go on for months and even if it decreases/ disappears over the summer it will make a resurgence in the autumn/winter along with all the usual viruses we get, especially if not enough of us catch it over the coming weeks / months to build up immunity.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 13/03/2020 08:43

I'd hold off thoughts of normal until after next winter. When we can see the effects of the different governmental responses to it, herd immunity vs. isolation and lock down.

But the peak should be just before school summer holidays....

chatwoo · 13/03/2020 08:45

I reckon the rest of the year will be a bit of a mess, one way or another. Not very scientific Wink

DarkMutterings · 13/03/2020 08:46

In HK, we're expecting it to be like SARS so the reopening will be phased for example since last week I can work 2 out of 5 days in the office so not everyone suddenly reappears. Schools will go hack in waves starting with upper secondary and worked down, Kindergarten being last. If the numbers pick back up, everything shuts back down.

Babdoc · 13/03/2020 08:47

This is why the UK has not closed schools - we would heed to do it for 3 months to have any point at all.
We also realise that shutting them creates a massive childcare problem- the kids’ parents have to stay off work to look after them, and many of them will be NHS staff!
Or the kids will go to their frail high risk grandparents and infect them, possibly killing some of them.

Bluntness100 · 13/03/2020 09:14

I think the peak would be in about six weeks if they didn’t delay it. What’s happening now is they are trying to avoid a quick sharp peak, basically drag it out longer, because then the nhs has a better chance of coping. And by coping they mean have beds available for those who need them and not have to refuse people who desperately need it care.

So instead of it peaking quickly they are attempting to make the peak less sharp and more prolonged, and up until June or July time so they have the beds available but also as they learn more every day about it.

The issue is the rest of the world. The Uk is trying to stagger cases. Stretch out that peak. The rest of the world is trying to halt it, but the science is apparantly saying if you restrict too quickly and then either people start to break the restrictions or you lift them, the virus will just hit again, peak and the health care systems will not be able to cope. I suspect at that point the uk will close its doors.

They also are trying to manage the economy. If too many restrictions, businesses will shut down, they will go bust. Many are already struggling. People will loose their jobs. Hence why they are doing things like relaxing sick pay, reducing interest rates, mortgage holidays etc, to try to help businesses stay open over the next few months.

Otherwise we come out of it with a whole bunch of other problems. Mass unemployment giving pressure to sheer amount of benefits needing to be paid , People loosing their homes because they couldn’t pay the mortgage, and pressure on re housing them.

So they are trying to manage it in a way that keeps the economy working and ensures people can get care if they need it, as far as they can.

Sittinonthefloor · 13/03/2020 09:18

I don’t think we’ll be back to normal for a long time, if ever. We’ll have a new normal, things like this cause other, unpredictable, change.

halcyondays · 13/03/2020 09:22

“They” seem to be expect the peak to be around June. I think it’ll be a lot sooner unless they take much stricter measures, current advice to stay at home for seven days with a cough will be ignored by many people.

MashedSpud · 13/03/2020 09:45

The news is saying this will happen year after year. Great news for toilet roll companies.

crazydiamond222 · 13/03/2020 09:49

The peak is planned to be this summer in the UK. There may however be further waves and peaks later this year and next.

Cases will start to increase again in China when they loosen travel restrictions. Unfortunately it does not look like things will be back to normal until there is a vaccine in 1 to 2 years.

crazydiamond222 · 13/03/2020 09:59

From what I understand countries have 3 options
A) shutdown completely until a vaccine is developed but risk economic collapse

B) go the UK route and try to level out the cases but at least in short term risk higher death rate in all age groups as reliant on herd immunity to reduce spread

C) middle ground - close schools and big events. Reduce numbers affected in short term but as soon as restrictions increase infections will soar. Will then have to follow option a for 2 years until vaccine.

No idea which option is best

ifonly4 · 13/03/2020 10:03

I think they're hoping to delay the peak until early summer (so June as already mentioned) but that's not going to happen and it'll be in a month or so.

lubeybooby · 13/03/2020 10:45

can anyone find the 'peak' graphic Boris used yesterday please? I've been searching online but can't find it. it had a timescale on it

There are other examples of graphs flattening the peak but it didn't match the one that was used yesterday particularly well and no others have dates on them

LizzieSiddal · 13/03/2020 10:52

The news is saying this will happen year after year. Great news for toilet roll companies.

No it won't be like this year after year..

  1. A vaccine will be developed
  2. Many people will have immunity, so every year there will be less people who get it.
lubeybooby · 13/03/2020 15:49

I found it. (The graphic that Boris & co used) Can anyone work out the time increments on this? It's not very clear

When is it expected to peak & how long until we're back to normal?
Inkpaperstars · 13/03/2020 17:35

@Babdoc could you explain the three month school closure thing to me, I didn't quite understand when they explained that bit?

peppersneezes000 · 14/03/2020 01:00

I'm a bit bamboozled too, they're saying it will take a long time to feel normal again, how long? I'm in rep of Ireland but I would image we'll start the recovery around the same time as the uk...

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IronNeonClasp · 14/03/2020 01:14

Can someone explain to me how it peaks in June but China peaked in Feb and are now trying to resume 'normal life'?
I've read again and again that we are two weeks behind Italy?
Also China started early Jan as a very small story on the beeb website and kind of exploded through Feb. So by all accounts we would be peaking next 2-3 weeks.

What am I not understanding here ? Hmm

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