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To think that the Corona virus is a sharp reminder of why vaccinations are so important

109 replies

Mummypigisalwaysright · 29/02/2020 06:45

All these people in quarantine with suspected Corona virus shows exactly the lengths we'd have to go to if something like measles or mumps started doing the rounds again.

Quarantine used to be standard for things like mumps, measles, diphtheria. My nan today told me the harrowing story of when she had to be quarantined in hospital at two years old for two months because she'd been exposed to diphtheria. She had forgotten how to talk when she came out. I recently re-read a childhood favourite, the twins at st Clare's, and in one book the twins were quarantined as they had played tennis with a child who had come down with mumps. It used to be a common occurrence and was really the only way to prevent the spread of the disease.

My generation (early 30s) and the few generations before me have never really had to deal with things like quarantines because vaccinations have mostly eradicated the disease's that plagued our older generations childhood's.

Would our society cope, would our NHS cope ,with so many more vulnerable people who could really be very ill should these illnesses come back? Would workplaces cope with parents off work if they had a child that had just come into contact with measles they then had to quarantine?

It's a very sobering thought that we take for granted these diseases have mostly been eradicated due to the pain and experience and research of our past generations.

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eenyminymeenyboo · 01/03/2020 00:13

Because many infectious diseases are relatively rare nowadays a lot of people are oblivious to how dangerous they can be. In my family my dgm was left profoundly deaf by measles and my dhs uncle had to have an eye removed when he was five due to rare eye complications of measles, needless to say both of mine are fully vaccinated.

Ozgirl75 · 01/03/2020 04:33

I’m 42 and my mum was exposed to either measles or German measles in pregnancy and had to go through 7 months worrying that I would be deaf or blind (I was fine!) and I also remember a mumps outbreak at our school which I caught. I wasn’t too bad with it but I remember one teacher telling us how serious it was as he wasn’t able to have children because of complications from mumps.
My mum had whooping cough at 6 months old and was saved by her older brother as he ran into her room and found her going blue and screamed for my gran. So much needless suffering and death which we are so lucky to have a simple and free way to avoid.

boatyardblues · 01/03/2020 05:33

I wasn’t too bad with it but I remember one teacher telling us how serious it was as he wasn’t able to have children because of complications from mumps.

I was talking with a doctor friend about the recent increase of mumps cases in unvaccinated university students. I didn’t realise girls/women could have painful swelling of the ovaries in mumps - its not just testicles that can be affected. I’m not sure if female fertility is affected in the same way.

GnomeDePlume · 01/03/2020 07:11

I think that the effect of mumps vaccination is not permanent. DD2 suffered mumps in her first year at uni. She had been immunised.

Bluebutterfly90 · 01/03/2020 07:20

My nan lost two of her sisters from diphtheria, and my uncle was never able to have kids because of mumps.

So my family has always emphasized how lucky we are to have the vaccinations that are available to us.

I have a 7week old baby and my doctor and health visitor both bought up vaccinations very cautiously, so I can tell they've had pushback from others about them. I've already got my son's vaccinations booked.

JoshLinda · 01/03/2020 07:41

HoldMyLobster

Where I live, if there is a chickenpox outbreak at school, they exclude all the non-vaccinated kids.

Clearly not in the Uk then! Very few people are vaccinated against chicken pox so they'd have nobody left at school.

JoshLinda · 01/03/2020 07:47

GwnomeDePlume

I think that the effect of mumps vaccination is not permanent. DD2 suffered mumps in her first year at uni. She had been immunised.

Correct. Immunity wanes after a few years which means young (and older) adults are now at risk of mumps wheras pre-mumps-vaccine most people would have caught it in childhood when it was much less damaging (if at all). This is an issue for any vaccines that don't provide life long immunity. Chicken pox is also much more dangerous to catch as an adult, so any children who have been vaccinated already will require boosters regularly in later life.

GnomeDePlume · 01/03/2020 08:51

JoshLinda

I wish we had known the immunisation was short lived as we would have encouraged her to see if a booster was available.

I think that students can be especially vulnerable. The early immunisation protects while children pass through the stage when they are in close contact with others. Normally people then stop being in such close association with a wide range of people.

DD2 suspects that she caught mumps from one of her flatmates who was using DD2's metal straws on the sly, using them then not washing them on return (DD2 caught her at it). The flatmate had mumps first.

ErrolTheDragon · 01/03/2020 09:31

Sorry your DD got it, GnomeDePlume.

The mumps vaccine is unfortunately one in which the protection may wane in some, and that's combined with kids reaching uni age whose parents heeded bloody Wakefield and didn't get them fully vaccinated so impairing herd immunity and leaving them at risk. The other components of MMR may not wane as quickly but there's no harm having them again so we paid for DD to have a third shot last year after we'd read about the outbreaks at uni. DH had never had any of the illnesses as a kid or been vaccinated against mumps (not available then) so he had his 2 sets then too.

Re chickenpox, she didn't catch that as a kid so we got her vacc'd as a teen before GCSEs.

Paper on the effectiveness of 3rd MMR vaccination for students.

www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1703309

HoldMyLobster · 01/03/2020 14:38

Where I live, if there is a chickenpox outbreak at school, they exclude all the non-vaccinated kids.

Clearly not in the Uk then! Very few people are vaccinated against chicken pox so they'd have nobody left at school.

Correct. In 13 years the schools in my town have had 3 cases of chickenpox. It's a notifiable disease, so when someone has it then the school has to inform everyone.

LuckyLickitung · 01/03/2020 15:04

I've always had my DCs vaccinated.

Even so, DS was really poorly before Christmas and after being ill and wiped out for several days with what first presented like a heavy cold, awful sweats, his glands them puffed up like a hamster. From the symptoms on the NHS website, it looked very much like a possibility of mumps. Being just before Christmas, I couldn't get through to the GP (and wasn't going to walk him in if potentially contagious) so it's passed unrecorded.
It turns out that there have been cases of mumps in the county... He shouldn't have had it between vaccinations and his age, but I can't vow that he hasn't, and because of the pressure on primary care, that concern has gone uninvestigated and unrecorded.

It is important to do what you reasonably can to protect your health.

I should have been visiting a relative today after a spell of poor health, but we've mutually cancelled to avoid me passing on a cold while they're vulnerable.

It's too easy to take good health for granted.

Hoik · 01/03/2020 15:19

it was just a regular childhood illness 35 years ago

Where exactly? I'm 39 and was vaccinated against it, measles never did the rounds at any of the schools I attended and I never heard of anyone around us having it either.

HeresMe · 01/03/2020 20:49

There is a lot of illnesses that with vacinations had pretty much been eradicated from their country but with movement of people a lot has come back due no vaccinations.

Not racist as I love in a city that is benefitting from people from other cultures coming.

bruffin · 01/03/2020 21:10

I had both measles and mumps as a child and just carried on, it was just a regular childhood illness 35 years ago
They started vaccinating against measles in 1968 50 years ago in UK. There had been over 1000 deaths in the preceding decade. That does not include deaths from reduced immune system that measles leaves forv3 years after.
I queued up at school for measles vaccine in the catch up campaign but wasnt allowed it because we had a family history of abnormal febrile convulsions. I then caught measles at 8 or 9 (1970) and was really ill for a good week.

Gilead · 01/03/2020 22:15

@HeresMe, no, it’s due to daft anti vaccers.

KenDodd · 01/03/2020 22:24

Anti vaxers really give me the rage.
I agree. I blame them for the fact we still have polio.

HeresMe · 01/03/2020 22:38

@HeresMe, no, it’s due to daft anti vaccers.

Well not really as if it has pretty much been eradicated they must be catching it from external sources.

It's not racism to say visitors are bringing in some illnesses to this country. In fact it shows a lack of knowledge of history to say they aren't.

Hoik · 01/03/2020 22:45

So Mr A moves to a new country from Another Country and happens to have measles as it is not routinely vaccinated for in the place where he is from.

In scenario one, he's ill for a week or two and recovers without passing it on to anyone as the majority of people in his new country are vaccinated, herd immunity, etc.

In scenario two, vaccination rates are not as high as they need to be in order to have effective herd immunity. This is due to anti-vaxxers reading a load of gubbins on Google ... sorry, doing research ... and deciding not to vaccinate their kids. Because of this, Mr A unwittingly passes on the measles to several people and boom, its circulating in the community.

If people vaccinate their kids then visitors can't pass on those diseases.

Hoik · 01/03/2020 22:46

In conclusion: anti-vaxxers are one of the biggest threats to public health.

www.who.int/news-room/feature-stories/ten-threats-to-global-health-in-2019

MirandaGoshawk · 01/03/2020 23:07

Wow, times have changed. When I first joined MN (about 12 years ago) there were posters whose dch had been damaged by vaccines. There is a reason that people decided not to vaccinate. Things have improved but not without, for example, huge payouts in the US to vaccine- damaged dch. I am pro-vaccine generally but there is no denying that they can sometimes cause problems in some people, which is why the pp said they wouldn't trust a covid vaccine until proven. When I was small, pg women were offered an anti-sickness drug that was later found to cause birth defects - thalidomide. I'm just saying that there are two sides to every story and the reason that MMR was so controversial is not necessarily that people were stupid.

BusterMove · 01/03/2020 23:16

MMR may well have caused problems. I'm not educated enough to know. But those who still believe that MMR is linked to autism are dangerously stupid. It's been disproven by just about every reputable body in the world.

Hoik · 01/03/2020 23:17

People unable to vaccinate their child dur to medical reasons are not antivaxxers.

People who have a vaccine damaged child are not antivaxxers.

People who think vaccines are some huge conspiracy or are inherently dangerous and then spread that disinformation are antivaxxers.

Vaccinated damage exists, it's sad and obviously horrific for the families involved, it is a known risk of vaccines which is why there is a government fund for those affected however it is very rare in the same way severe allergic reactions to vaccines are very rare. For the overwhelming majority of people, vaccines are both safe and effective.

Hoik · 01/03/2020 23:18

the reason that MMR was so controversial is not necessarily that people were stupid.

MMR was controversial because of the lies told by Andrew Wakefield.

OwlBeThere · 01/03/2020 23:23

Well this is a novel way to have the same debate about vaccines, I’ll give you that much.

OwlBeThere · 01/03/2020 23:27

The difference is that the mortality rate of COVID-19 is far higher than measles (accounts vary but at most it’s 3/1000) and for mumps the death rate is ‘exceedingly rare’ according to the CDC. It’s not comparable.