Banning of 'hate marches'

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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/38472816/pro-iran-hate-march-banned-home-office/

Does the IRGC slaughtering their own people not feature?

There are too many of these rallies/marches/protests in London, it seems to be every week. These protests then bring out the counter protestors, it's taking up too much police time. Just seems to be a weekly event in London these days.

Every war in history has involved the death and injury of innocents, including children. The ends (eg defeating nazis) sometimes does justify the means. That assessment is incredibly hard to make at the time of the war and sometimes even for decades afterwards (eg dropping to nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki). The vast majority of people actually do agree with war when it is necessary. Very few adults really think that laying down all weapons and letting despots and dictators destroy your country is the correct choice.

The Iranian regime are genuinely evil. Their subjugation of women and murder of 10s of thousands of protesters are beyond belief really. The fact they’ve spent decades paying for the terrorists who constantly attack Israel justifies Israel bombing them imo.

Im glad the march has been cancelled and I’m glad a static protest has been allowed. That strikes me as a good balance between the right of society as a whole and the right of individuals to protest.

There was radio silence from a number of regular munsnetters when the regime in Iran were slaughtering thousands of people for protesting, mainly young people, and also children slaughtered. Protesters were shot in the head, hospitals were reporting numbers shot through the eyes direct purposeful. However, that was by the regime so whatever 🙄. I'm wondering if because the regime funded hamas who were 'resistance' for Gaza, it confused some.

I see the thread about the tragedy of the school bombing by probably the US has been taken over by generalised hate for the US and Israel. It feels wrong.

Women have acid thrown in their faces, thousands of young people slaughtered, same age as some dc on here, women mutilated, eyes gouged, uterus removed, just horrendous to type but why should it be hidden?

If that was going on here I’d hope the rest of the world didn’t just turn a blind eye for decades.

Awful.

https://www.gbnews.com/news/pro-iran-london-hate-rally-organiser-met-ayatollah-ali-khamenei-uk-islamophobia-dossier

"The organiser of a pro-Iran hate rally in London met the late Ayatollah Ali Khamenei to give him a dossier on UK Islamophobia.

Massoud Shadjareh, co-founder and chair of the Islamic Human Rights Commission (IHRC), claimed to have met the former Supreme Leader when discussing a report entitled "Environment of Hate: The New Normal for British Muslims in the UK"."

Mr Shadjareh, who has been organising and promoting a demonstration outside Parliament to celebrate Al Quds Day on Sunday, claimed he had been summoned by the late Ayatollah to explain the findings in the IHRC's report.

Recalling the meeting, Mr Shadjareh told an audience: "We did a report about Islamophobia. How the environment is created by politicians, by the media, and in that environment, people become so bad that even sometimes themselves get shocked that 'I've become so racist'.

I was asked to explain this research, this book, to Ayatollah Khamenei and in the small gathering, I explained the whole findings of this."

Khamenei listened "very tentatively," an inspired Mr Shadjareh said, before turning to the IHRC chair and telling him: "This is because they want to destroy your confidence in yourselves as Muslims and in your deen. Don't let it happen."

Mr Shadjareh, who was born in Iran in the 1970s and moved to the UK aged 16, had planned a march for Sunday, but it was ultimately banned by the Government to prevent "serious public disorder", Shabana Mahmood said."

Seriously who goes to Iran for opinions on the UK and Muslim population. They are hardly a bastion of human rights and equality with the way they treat their own citizens!

Of course the march should be banned. We are more or less at war with Iran. This country has gone nuts. How can we allow a march supporting that vile regime.

Sorry I can’t take the Islamic Human Rights Commission seriously. Given the hellish treatment of women in Islamist states like Iran and Afghanistan, it sounds like the Vegan Butchers Society to me.

The leader left Iran aged 16 yet spends his time critical of the UK, met the regime leader, with a dossier of problems, he says there are in the UK. Totally tone deaf to the poor Iranian people's problems under the regime! I mean he loves the regime so much. Strange. I mean he could, if he wanted to, live under the regime rather than whinge about the UK, afterall we are awful here.

I'd happily ban all marches from all groups all the time

True.

Imagine living with the Vegans and whinging they aren't all following 100% veganism, then visiting the Butchers society with a dossier of 'complaints'..... and the butcher says "This is because they want to destroy your confidence in yourselves as Vegans and in your deen. Don't let it happen."

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We're all human @TomeTome

Whether it was more humane to stop the Iranian regime in their tracks or let them carry on terrorising is a matter of opinion. Not a straightforward question when you consider not just deaths in wartime but the deaths they were carrying out in peacetime. You know of course that they were murdering thousands of civilians in Iran - slaughtering to use you word - as well as funding terrorist organisations in other countries to slaughter their civilians too (yes, even children).

Then there was the threat of the regime insisting on their right to develop nuclear weapons ...personally I don't think a nuclear bomb would be safe in the hands of fundamentalist religious extremists who are dedicated to the destruction of Israel. What do they say, "Death to the US, Death to Israel".

Yes why did he leave Iran aged 16? The only reason he would have been allowed to stay at that age would have been as an asylum seeker. So why has he been given asylum from a regime he not only supports but goes back and chats to about the UK? We have thousands of Iranians here who have fled religious persecution in Iran, some who still live in fear of being murdered by the regime, yet we are waving through their persecutors and cheerleaders.

Clear rational points

The 'lefties' were the ones that brought the ayatollah into power, as per Russia, China, North Korea. Ironically for the omnicause, Israeli kibbutzim are one of the few places that successfully practises socialism. Authoritarianism seems to kick in after a certain critical mass of population. Even socialist Denmark has been called draconian for banning face coverings, breaking up ghettos and restricting non Danish flags in the name of social cohesion, but they have a high trust society and I haven't heard of mass slaughter of oppositionists....

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The headlines aren’t right on this. I keep seeing pro-Iran that’s meaningless. People are pro IRGC who are against the Iranian people.

If someone writes pro Iran it could be either they support.

It was our Conservative Churchill government and the US CIA which overthrew an elected left Government in Iran 1953 which wanted to allow the people of Iran to benefit from the oil instead of foreign powers.

We then installed the authoritarian Shah to further the rights of the UK and the US to steal their oil and the ensuing profits. The Iranian people have been badly served by foreign powers. We have played a large part in Iranians distrusting foreigners.

It has never been 'left' to take over another people's land by force cf Kibbutzim in Israel.

What may have been left would have been to include the original inhabitants in benefitting in this and other of their experiments surely? Ditto the apparteid current state of Israel would need to include them in receiving the benefits of investment instead of throwing them off their land. Definitely not in their Old Testament Bible tradition of fighting for justice or of Jewish prophets (eg Jesus) 'treat others as you would have them treat you'.

This is why many US and other diaspora Rabbis and Cantors in Europe have been protesting against the current Israeli oppression of the original inhabitants of Israel/Palestine. These Rabbis and Cantors are the ones following in the best traditions of the Bible.

Indeed the growing outflow of Jews from Israel is their Jewish people ' voting with their feet', not prepared to back what their Government is doing anymore.

That's one of many views I've heard from many interested parties. The kibbutzim are socialist enterprises.
Interestingly the now very profitable Suez canal, and oil infrastructure were 'colonial' enterprises, like transport infrastructure, irrigation canals etc the Chinese government are pursuing such things at the moment.
I'll be interested if anyone does manage to 'just stop oil' because the ensuing power shifts could be seismic.
Nationalising profitable infrastructure is less of a difficult electoral sell than nationalising that which has been asset stripped I imagine

I think some posters want to wilfully blind themselves and remain in ignorance about the history and context here. It’s so disingenuous. The notion that we can free Iranian women by bombing their children is just inconceivable. This has nothing to do with right or left, but instead about critical thinking. Myanmar and Sudan, somehow, do not merit freedom. It’s absolutely fine for the Burmese government to shoot protestors and bomb villages, four years later and barely a mention in most media. This hierarchy of compassion is so hard to understand. Tired of faux feminism which talks about freedom, yet speaks the language of the oppressor. Women suffer exponentially more in times of war and scarcity. Furthermore it’s odd to just unquestioningly accept the narrative about the protests in
Iran, without considering the 70 or so years of regime change tactics. It’s probably easier than to consider we might not be being told the whole truth. And that we have been conditioned for years so we easily believe it.

The IRGC are monstrous. More so than other regimes I couldn't say? Giving kids a plastic key to 'paradise' and sending them into minefields to clear the way for troops, pretty monstrous.
But they've pissed more governments off with their power plays than Myanmar & Sudan it seems.

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