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justanotherpassword · 02/10/2025 03:12

Wonder why the project had to be secret. Far too often see all the pro Israeli content everywhere not just social media platforms but also forums like this.

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-869219

Israel’s secret influencer campaign exposed | The Jerusalem Post

The filings reveal that a firm called Bridges Partners LLC has been hired to manage an influencer network under a project code-named the “Esther Project.”

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-869219

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TicklishMauveSquid · 07/10/2025 15:38

BelleHathor · 07/10/2025 14:44

I'm not going back and forth with propagandists spreading misinformation after 2 years.

So many false claims about Netanyahu and the IDF have already been debunked.

HAARETZ wrote an article in December 2023 debunking many lies:
-40 beheaded babies
-Baby burned in oven
-A pregnant woman's stomach opened & her fetus removed
-Children bound together & burned
-Pregnant hostage giving birth the 40 beheaded babies lie in December 2023.

It confirms that tragically 1 baby was murdered on October 7th.

https://www.haaretz.co.il/news/politics/2023-12-03/ty-article-magazine/.premium/0000018c-2036-d21c-abae-76be08fe0000?utm_source=AppShare&utmmedium=AndroidNative&utmcampaign=Share

On Hagari and how lying leads to an erosion of trust

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/information-missteps-led-questions-israels-credibility-rcna125723

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Why are deflecting from answering the questions in my post of 14:12?

You raised these alleged lies, so why not respond to the very valid points I have made?

Where did Daniel Hagari lie in that video?

Where did the Israeli government say 40 babies were beheaded?

Quite simple questions.

It’s laughable that Palestinian propagandists claim Haaretz as a creditable news source just because it’s Israeli.

It is a low circulation lefty newspaper known as being liberal on Israel’s security and directly against Netanyahu’s government. Kind of on the level of chickens being in favour of KFC.

inamarina · 07/10/2025 16:31

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Wow, so original 🙄

LakesLovely123 · 07/10/2025 16:37

TicklishMauveSquid · 07/10/2025 15:38

Why are deflecting from answering the questions in my post of 14:12?

You raised these alleged lies, so why not respond to the very valid points I have made?

Where did Daniel Hagari lie in that video?

Where did the Israeli government say 40 babies were beheaded?

Quite simple questions.

It’s laughable that Palestinian propagandists claim Haaretz as a creditable news source just because it’s Israeli.

It is a low circulation lefty newspaper known as being liberal on Israel’s security and directly against Netanyahu’s government. Kind of on the level of chickens being in favour of KFC.

Maybe she would if you fact checked your 'facts' a bit.

inamarina · 07/10/2025 17:09

PrawnAgain · 07/10/2025 11:39

Palestinians showed themselves for who they are very clearly that day 2 years ago IMO

Do you hold Palestinians collectively responsible for the actions of Hamas? Surely this makes you just had bad as the antisemitic people who hold Jewish people collectively responsible for the actions of Netanyahu.

It wasn’t just the actions of Hamas pp was talking about though.
There were also people celebrating in the streets of Gaza on October 7th, and hundreds had stormed across the border and joined the attacks. They weren’t all just Hamas.

TicklishMauveSquid · 07/10/2025 17:25

LakesLovely123 · 07/10/2025 16:37

Maybe she would if you fact checked your 'facts' a bit.

How does that comment make sense.

She’s not responding because she doesn’t want to give an answer.

BelleHathor · 07/10/2025 17:40

Lakes is right, I'm not responding because you presented no facts.

To respond would be to waste my time and energy. I know what's been debunked, so do millions of people around the World (as it was debunked live in the media and on social media, including on threads Mumsnet).

All the misinformation has been recorded, archived and will be used in future to pursue legal remedies against the perpetrators.

Gaimbin · 07/10/2025 17:53

TicklishMauveSquid · 07/10/2025 17:25

How does that comment make sense.

She’s not responding because she doesn’t want to give an answer.

You're to be commended for trying to have a reasonable, informed discussion with anyone who thinks publicity stunt SM posts, antisemitic trope filled propaganda websites and ultra right wing Americans racists lying their arses off constitute facts.

Gaimbin · 07/10/2025 17:57

All the misinformation has been recorded, archived and will be used in future to pursue legal remedies against the perpetrators.

Do let us know when you're due at the Hague with your binder of very important evidence.

Martymcfly24 · 07/10/2025 18:05

BelleHathor · 07/10/2025 17:40

Lakes is right, I'm not responding because you presented no facts.

To respond would be to waste my time and energy. I know what's been debunked, so do millions of people around the World (as it was debunked live in the media and on social media, including on threads Mumsnet).

All the misinformation has been recorded, archived and will be used in future to pursue legal remedies against the perpetrators.

Tal Heinrich spokesperson for the Israeli prime ministers office on the 11th October said babies and toddlers were beheaded and spoke about tiny body bag but she never mentioned a number at that time.

LakesLovely123 · 07/10/2025 18:34

Gaimbin · 07/10/2025 17:53

You're to be commended for trying to have a reasonable, informed discussion with anyone who thinks publicity stunt SM posts, antisemitic trope filled propaganda websites and ultra right wing Americans racists lying their arses off constitute facts.

There was nothing reasonable or informed. Unhinged yes, informed no.

BelleHathor · 07/10/2025 18:39

Martymcfly24 · 07/10/2025 18:05

Tal Heinrich spokesperson for the Israeli prime ministers office on the 11th October said babies and toddlers were beheaded and spoke about tiny body bag but she never mentioned a number at that time.

Yes, she was formerly a presenter for the Israeli Channel 14 and before that the Jerusalem Bureau for CNN:
https://news.sky.com/story/its-important-to-separate-the-facts-from-speculation-what-we-actually-know-about-the-viral-report-of-beheaded-babies-in-israel-12982329
"It was later reported by at least one major TV news network that the reports of babies being beheaded had been "confirmed" by a spokesperson for the Israeli prime minister's office.

This was subsequently attributed to Tal Heinrich, a freelance news anchor who appears to have been drafted in by Benjamin Netanyahu's office on 8 October to assist with media relations in the wake of Hamas's attacks a day earlier.

The only available public statement on the matter from Ms Heinrich at the time of writing was an interview she conducted with LBC on Wednesday, in which she was asked about the claims.

Ms Heinrich, who was quoted by LBC as a spokesperson for Mr Netanyahu's office, said: "Toddlers, babies, I can tell you some of them... yes, heads were cut off. This is what we are hearing from... soldiers on the ground who dealt with the bodies."

Replying to a later post on X linking to a story citing her comments, she said on Wednesday evening: "Please note: We said that these reports are based on testimonies of soldiers."

The lie was started by an IDF soldier and then broadcast by the Israeli Channel i24. Then repeated all around the World without being fact checked.

It's played a part in why governments lent their unconditional support to the Israeli response (even Trump mentioned burnt babies numerous times in the last 2 weeks)

The reason it set of alarm bell was that it was so similar to the The Nayirah Testimony which had been used to manufacture consent for the first Gulf War. :

"The Nayirah testimony was false testimony given before the United States Congressional Human Rights Caucus on October 10, 1990, by a 15-year-old Kuwaiti girl who was publicly identified only as Nayirah at the time, and presented herself as having been a volunteer nurse at a Kuwaiti hospital at the time of the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. In her testimony, which took place two months after the invasion, she claimed to have witnessed Iraqi soldiers taking premature babies out of incubators in a maternity ward before looting the incubators and leaving the babies to die on the floor. Nayirah's statements were widely publicized and cited numerous times in the United States Senate and by American president George H. W. Bush to contribute to the rationale for pursuing military action against Iraq. Her portrayal of Iraqi war crimes was aimed at further increasing global support for Kuwait against the Iraqi occupation during the Gulf War, which resulted in the expulsion of Iraqi troops from Kuwait by a 42-country coalition led by the United States.

What we actually know about the viral report of beheaded babies in Israel

One journalist from the Tel Aviv-based news channel i24 said a soldier told her they had "witnessed… bodies of babies with their heads cut off" at the Kfar Aza kibbutz near the Gaza border - but no Israeli officials have confirmed the claim.

https://news.sky.com/story/its-important-to-separate-the-facts-from-speculation-what-we-actually-know-about-the-viral-report-of-beheaded-babies-in-israel-12982329

Gaimbin · 07/10/2025 18:46

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LakesLovely123 · 07/10/2025 18:52

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The structure uses two distinct statements:

  1. "There was nothing reasonable or informed." (A complete sentence expressing a lack of those qualities.)
  2. "Unhinged yes, informed no." (A clipped, emphatic, and slightly informal clarification/repetition, using the comma splice correctly to separate the contrasting affirmations/negations.)
It's clear, punchy, and effectively conveys the speaker's strong opinion.
LakesLovely123 · 07/10/2025 18:54

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Have you ever read a book? I'd totally recommend you do.

Gaimbin · 07/10/2025 18:54

LakesLovely123 · 07/10/2025 18:52

The structure uses two distinct statements:

  1. "There was nothing reasonable or informed." (A complete sentence expressing a lack of those qualities.)
  2. "Unhinged yes, informed no." (A clipped, emphatic, and slightly informal clarification/repetition, using the comma splice correctly to separate the contrasting affirmations/negations.)
It's clear, punchy, and effectively conveys the speaker's strong opinion.

Did you use AI to write that?

LakesLovely123 · 07/10/2025 18:55

Gaimbin · 07/10/2025 18:54

Did you use AI to write that?

Why are you trying to change the subject and attack me?

Is it because you're ashamed you can't tell the difference between blatant propaganda, opinion and fact?

Gaimbin · 07/10/2025 18:56

LakesLovely123 · 07/10/2025 18:54

Have you ever read a book? I'd totally recommend you do.

I have yes, I'd really recommend the dictionary.

PrawnAgain · 07/10/2025 18:58

inamarina · 07/10/2025 17:09

It wasn’t just the actions of Hamas pp was talking about though.
There were also people celebrating in the streets of Gaza on October 7th, and hundreds had stormed across the border and joined the attacks. They weren’t all just Hamas.

And there are Isrealis who say "finish the job" meaning kill all Palestinians. That doesn't mean that all Isrealis think that way.

LakesLovely123 · 07/10/2025 19:02

Gaimbin · 07/10/2025 18:56

I have yes, I'd really recommend the dictionary.

OK then. Clever clogs. What was wrong with those sentences?

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inamarina · 07/10/2025 19:06

PrawnAgain · 07/10/2025 18:58

And there are Isrealis who say "finish the job" meaning kill all Palestinians. That doesn't mean that all Isrealis think that way.

I didn’t say all Palestinians thought the same, I just pointed out it wasn’t just Hamas, since you said “Do you hold Palestinians collectively responsible for the actions of Hamas?”.

Gaimbin · 07/10/2025 19:06

LakesLovely123 · 07/10/2025 18:55

Why are you trying to change the subject and attack me?

Is it because you're ashamed you can't tell the difference between blatant propaganda, opinion and fact?

Not at all, I'm just overinvested in my quest to help people use words in the correct context.

Is it because you're ashamed you can't tell the difference between blatant propaganda, opinion and fact? Are you cheekily making a self-referential little joke here? If so, it's a good one, well done.

LakesLovely123 · 07/10/2025 19:10

Gaimbin · 07/10/2025 19:06

Not at all, I'm just overinvested in my quest to help people use words in the correct context.

Is it because you're ashamed you can't tell the difference between blatant propaganda, opinion and fact? Are you cheekily making a self-referential little joke here? If so, it's a good one, well done.

What was wrong with those sentences?

LakesLovely123 · 07/10/2025 19:13

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Gaimbin · 07/10/2025 19:23

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And yet I'm not the one using AI to construct a sentence for me...

LakesLovely123 · 07/10/2025 19:26

Gaimbin · 07/10/2025 19:23

And yet I'm not the one using AI to construct a sentence for me...

I'll ask you again.

What was wrong with the sentences you criticised me for?

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