Closest to peace ever but will Hamas accept?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1dq9xwngv2o

So everyone accept Hamas is signed up to this including the PA and other hi if states. Personally I think it is generous to the Palestinians. Trio's diplomacy seems to be paying off.

Big question is Hamas simply going to disband and disarm? I think this is a 'no' but it should be in the record of this does happen as to my mind all the elements of a peace plan were there.

I don't quite know how the two state solution is going to come about but that is for the long term future.

One thing I did note was that with possibly historic announcement there was no mention of the word 'genocide' and we can now see that such a term was one of propaganda in the conflict. It looks like hard serious diplomacy may work and not overblown rhetoric and hyperbole in these cases.

Anyone on one of these pro Palestianin marches should hold a flat kindly asking if Hamas will scope t this deal.

The trouble is, how would anyone know if Hamas has disbanded and disarmed? Even if they agree to do so. That's not how they operate, and they want Israel destroyed.

Unfortunately that is the biggest risk whenever a terrorist group is asked to disarm.

And hard as it is, this is a risk that Israel will have to take under this peace proposal.

Even if they do, that leaves the extremists in the West Bank currently planning on another Oct 7. Unless ALL territories under the umbrella of a Palestinian state disarm and accept living with Jews then this is going to keep going. I’ve lost hope - it’s the first time I’ve ever felt this way.

From the Palestinians’ perspective, how will they know if they will be safe from the Israeli government after all it has done to their land? Especially considering all the things Netanyahu has said about Palestine.

The people of Palestine continue to be screwed either way.

Hamas are are nothing but a terrorist militia acting as an Iranian front. Netanyahu is just as bad, but he cloaks himself in the legitimacy of the Israeli government.

Netanyahu doesn't want peace - he's already started rolling back, knowing full well that it makes it almost impossible for Hamas to accept, in the unlikely event they were so inclined to do so to start with:

The plan also says Hamas will have no role in governing Gaza, and leaves the door open for an eventual Palestinian state - but Netanyahu later again ruled this out.

He also said the peace plan would allow the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) to stay in Gaza - contrary to the text of the proposal published by the White House.

So ultimately, either Hamas don't accept and Israel with the help of the US obliterate whatever and whoever is left in Gaza with this plan giving it legitimacy

Or

Hamas do accept but, as he has already indicated, Netanyahu ignores Israel's part of the agreement, the IDF remain in Gaza and the Palestinian's continue to be indiscriminately shot at aid points, and corralled into camps like animals until someone decides to fight back and Netanyahu labels it an Hamas attack (regardless of whether it is or not) and they go in an obliterate whatever is left of Gaza!

Maybe next time they won't commit a massacre, celebrate it in the streets and start a war

Source?

Surely it’s a matter of two wrongs don’t make a right? Netanyahu shouldn’t be killing an entire population based on what Hamas did. You might say that the entire population hasn’t been killed, but with starvation and bombs it’s only a matter of time. That’s called collective punishment and is basically condemned in all history books.

Well it will take a long, long time if the last two years are anything to go by.

Maybe all you pro Pals should be marching the streets to call for Hamas to accept the deal so the war stops?

Netanyahu has not been killing an entire population.

These hyperbolic statements are so boring. Pro-Pals just have to repeat stock phrases again and again.

'Collective punishment, genocide, ethnic cleansing, Netanyahu is a murderer',

It's like a wind up dolly.

For what - Netanyahu backtracking?

The source would be the BBC article linked in the OP, starting at the fourth paragraph!

If it's so horrendous I'll wait for Hamas to be roundly condemned by all those who claim to care for Palestinians if they don't accept the deal and prolong the war

And with Israel's superior fire power if they'd wanted to wipe out Gaza they could have done it in a day.

The only people who want to kill an entire population is Hamas, they'll wipe out Israel given half a chance and openly said on tv they're willing to sacrifice every last Palestinian

Lumping all pro Palestinians as pro Hamas is like saying that pro Israelis don’t care about Palestinian lives. Neither of those statements are true, although there will inevitably be people on both sides that challenge this idea.

In response to the poster who says I am exaggerating, I don’t know how a land that is completely destroyed (as evidenced by live witnesses) and with limited resources is supposed to survive. Nobody can survive hunger beyond 3 weeks. Palestinians at the moment have been able to find scraps of bread to survive, but that’s inevitably going to run out if the aid stops completely.

it's only a matter of time

At the rate they've been going, it would take another 48 years to kill the remaining 96%.

If this war has taught us anything, it’s that Israel are absolutely rubbish at the whole genocide thing.

@TicklishMauveSquid ”Maybe all you pro Pals should be marching the streets to call for Hamas to accept the deal so the war stops?”

Maybe that will be this weekend’s theme?

So much exaggeration its ridiculous. There is aid getting in and the end of fighting & of Hamas will ensure it is distributed much better. So lets hope Hamas accept it.

I roundly condemn Hamas whether they accept the deal or not - I think the ordinary Palestinian people are as oppressed, exploited and killed by their actions just as much as they are Israel's.

But condemning what Hamas doesn't excuse in any way what the Israeli government are doing and have done to Gaza, nor what they are doing and have done in the West Bank.

Both Hamas and Ultra Zionist members of Israel's government and West Bank Settler population are extremists and both use terror against civilian populations in an attempt to meet their goals of wiping each others country out of existence (country obviously being used colloquially in the case of Palestine). The difference is, Hamas don't have the weaponry, capability or international support through armament to wreak the same level of destruction on Israel, that the current Israeli government perpetuates on Palestine.

Radical Zionists like Ben-Gvir and Smotrich are just as hellbent on the obliteration of Palestine as Hamas are on the destruction of Israel. They are using the power that they have to further their aims and are doing so very effectively, not just in Gaza, but also in the West Bank.

They are open about their desire to completely take over Gaza and facilitate the forcible removal of the Palestinians. Whether you are want to call the death toll genocide or not, forcible removal cannot be seen as anything other than ethnic cleansing.

In August, Smotrich announced the building of 3000 homes in the West Bank, which will split the territory into two with the intentional aim of making a two state solution unviable (he actually said his plans would "bury the idea of a Palestinian state...because there is nothing to recognise and no one to recognise") , and just last week, both he and Ben Gvir called for the formal annexation of the West Bank following other countries declaring their willingness to recognise the Palestinian state!

Hamas rhetoric of wanting to destroy Israel is equally as abhorrent, but it has not got the teeth in the same way that the ultra zionist rhetoric of wanting to destroy Palestine has.

Hamas will never be able to bomb 141 square miles of Israel into oblivion, kill over 60,000 Israeli's (a third of which are children) in two years, annex thousands of kilometers of Israeli land and force over 2 million Israeli's from their home. Even if they did have the infrastructure, man power and fire power to do it, the world would never allow it to get to that point.

Hamas should absolutely be roundly condemned and Israel's right to exist fully upheld and acknowledged, any other position is both dangerous and disgusting, as is the position of not roundly condemning the actions of the current Israeli government in both Gaza and the West Bank.

It is hypocritical to condemn one and not the other. To condemn the Israeli government and not Hamas suggests support for the aim of destroying Israel. To condemn Hamas and not the Israeli government demonstrates support and complicity in the destruction of any chance of a two state solution and the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people.

For me - it is a plague on both their houses - my support is for the ordinary Palestinians and Israeli's who just want to live their lives without fear!

I cant believe anyone here seriously thinks Hamas will agree to peace in any shape or form!

They have had a chance for 2 state soln many times since the Ottoman Empire was disbanded, Israel have almost given up asking, but Hamas turn it down for 2 main reasons:

1.They have to define their borders, and they want the whole of Israel so wont accept less ( from the River to the sea etc).

2.They will have to step down, giving up power and allow a proper decent government that actually cares for its people and spends the billions in aid from the rest of the world sensibly, instead of on bombs and terrorism.

..rinse and repeat.