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Conflict in the Middle East

Why does this mass starvation not get attention?

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mids2019 · 22/09/2025 05:43

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwydgj4pg9jo

This is a tragedy but how much sympathy is being diverted here. Is it because we have no Jews to blame? Every day the media highlights malnutrition in Gaza but neglects other areas of the world. I am not seeing humanitarian organisations in righteous anger at a famine that is probably caused by the government in Afghanistan. Are the actions of Muslim majority nations being quietly pushed down the media ladder in favour of just one conflict?

Ghulam and Nazo stand with a desert landscape behind them. He has a white beard, a turban and a green scarf wrapped around his neck. She is covering most of her face in a black shawl which is wrapped around her body

Afghanistan malnutrition: The mother who buried three children

The deaths of Ghulam and Nazo’s children are evidence of a silent wave of mortality engulfing Afghanistan, where malnutrition is at unprecedented levels.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwydgj4pg9jo

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MyFortieth · 22/09/2025 05:56

The big difference (for me anyway) is that western taxpayers are forced into being complicit in what is happening in Gaza. Who is paying for Palestinians being bombed?
Of course the other big difference is that Afghanistan doesn’t pretend to be a western liberal democracy.

There definitely is antisemitism, but I find calls that we must solve all the worlds ills before any criticism of Israel is permitted cynically disingenuous.

I abhor the actions of Hamas, I also think there is sufficient evidence that a genocide trial is merited.

mids2019 · 22/09/2025 06:08

Yes the West funds Israel but I think there is the bigger picture that western liberal democracy needs defending. Israel would be wiped out by its enemies of it weren't armed. We can't forget many wish it's destruction.

In way tax payers are saving money at least in the US by not providing aid but no one is calling this out. I don't think some Muslims want to draw attention to some of the regime's that exist in Muslim majority countries of which Afghanistan is one as it muddied the picture of the Palestinians being a noble set of freedom fighters. I am sure the governance in Palestine would not be one that the West would ideally like. The Gaza focus has in my opinion drawn attention from women's rights in Islamic counties . It now seems to be the duty of Muslim women to support the Palestin Ian cause rather than systemic abuse of women through our the Islamic world.

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Yamamm · 22/09/2025 06:14

There’s nothing left to win in Afghanistan. The Islamists got what they wanted. I think people generally feel helpless when it comes to Afghanistan. The population increased sixfold in 25 years because of aid being pumped in. The more food that is supplied the more babies will keep being born.
The poor woman in that article had three children quickly despite being unable to feed any. This is a horrible risk of intervention. If ‘we’ (the world) try and feed them we risk funds being used to support the Taliban. Will also have to feed the next generation forever.
We can’t sensibly help and anything we do could make things worse eventually which makes us responsible and complicit.
In Palestine the supportive Islamic states will step back in to carry on feeding the artificially large population there. For ideological reasons which don’t apply in Afghanistan.
All these poor people have been massively let down by their own people.

mids2019 · 22/09/2025 06:24

Gaza will become a welfare state as you say as there is no economy and the people will be reliant essentially on aid. Does not Gaza face the same fate as Afghanistan? There is a lot of talk of a Palestinian state but no talk of its leadership and how to prevent radical Islam taking hold. Maybe history will repeat itself and you will have radical Islam gaining popularity in a new Palestine partly down to poverty with the potential of her more conflict. Again it's going to be woman at the bottom with their role primarily as child bearers.

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MyFortieth · 22/09/2025 06:27

mids2019 · 22/09/2025 06:08

Yes the West funds Israel but I think there is the bigger picture that western liberal democracy needs defending. Israel would be wiped out by its enemies of it weren't armed. We can't forget many wish it's destruction.

In way tax payers are saving money at least in the US by not providing aid but no one is calling this out. I don't think some Muslims want to draw attention to some of the regime's that exist in Muslim majority countries of which Afghanistan is one as it muddied the picture of the Palestinians being a noble set of freedom fighters. I am sure the governance in Palestine would not be one that the West would ideally like. The Gaza focus has in my opinion drawn attention from women's rights in Islamic counties . It now seems to be the duty of Muslim women to support the Palestin Ian cause rather than systemic abuse of women through our the Islamic world.

What, do you think is demonstrated about western democracy by forced starvation? Do you stand by it as a military action? Or is it genocide?

And I say that seeing the threat from Iran.

TomeTome · 22/09/2025 06:44

I think we all know that when you start comparing your demonstrably atrocious behaviour to others in a “well there are other baddies too” way, you’ve rather lost the plot. We don’t ignore murderers in one town because there are criminals in another. The reason Israel feels the world condemns their behaviour is nothing to do with the religion they follow and everything to do with their abhorrent behaviour they have rained down on Palestine.

I hope every individual who has a part in this is brought to account and receives just punishment and is made to make reparation.

mids2019 · 22/09/2025 06:46

We all benefit from western democracy and it's results in our daily lives. Personally I like living in a free country and many have laid down their lives for these freedoms for which I am proud. No one likes starvation or war but we need to talk about the causes of such things and in Afghansitan you can't simply blame the west....Islamic countries need to look at themselves and take some responsibility for the root causes of conflict and famine in some cases.

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Yamamm · 22/09/2025 07:11

MyFortieth · 22/09/2025 06:27

What, do you think is demonstrated about western democracy by forced starvation? Do you stand by it as a military action? Or is it genocide?

And I say that seeing the threat from Iran.

No. Israel should allow aid in.

Gaza will not be quite the same as Afghanistan. The supporting ideologists will continue to support Gaza while Israel exists.
The Palestinians will continue having huge families and so will the Israelis.

MyFortieth · 22/09/2025 08:51

mids2019 · 22/09/2025 06:46

We all benefit from western democracy and it's results in our daily lives. Personally I like living in a free country and many have laid down their lives for these freedoms for which I am proud. No one likes starvation or war but we need to talk about the causes of such things and in Afghansitan you can't simply blame the west....Islamic countries need to look at themselves and take some responsibility for the root causes of conflict and famine in some cases.

Manufactured famine in Afghanistan is disgusting, but for Israel to use it as a justification at home… also not great. Especially if you want to be applauded and thanked by those being coerced into paying for it.

Alittlefeedbackwouldbenice · 22/09/2025 12:36

This attitude stinks.
There's nothing wrong with people choosing which issue to focus on.

Some people are passionate about the environment, animal rights, rehoming sad cats, reducing poverty, fighting for more opportunities for disabled kids, wanting to start particular wars, fundraising to save a local theatre. The list of good causes is almost endless.

I've never heard anyone say 'why are you donating to cats protection? Don't you know dogs suffer too?' or 'why you raising funds for a playground with disabled kids when some kids die from cancer'

Gaza is the only cause where people seem to be expected to be passionate about every other cause first.

It's blatant racism.

TakeMe2Insanity · 22/09/2025 12:37

Because Afghanistan is not in the Middle East.

TomeTome · 22/09/2025 14:12

mids2019 · 22/09/2025 06:46

We all benefit from western democracy and it's results in our daily lives. Personally I like living in a free country and many have laid down their lives for these freedoms for which I am proud. No one likes starvation or war but we need to talk about the causes of such things and in Afghansitan you can't simply blame the west....Islamic countries need to look at themselves and take some responsibility for the root causes of conflict and famine in some cases.

As do Jewish countries, and indeed Christian countries, and Hindu countries and ALL countries because it is not the religion that is defining these behaviours, it is the people and THEY must take responsibility.

SameOldHill · 22/09/2025 20:19

OP, I understand exactly what you mean. It’s a strange thing, I agree. I find myself scrolling past news about Afghanistan, Sudan, etc and I ask myself why? We care about all lives , especially children’s lives and terrible things are happening everywhere, so why are we so drawn to the Israeli Palestinian conflict?

I know it’s not anti-Semitism on my part. If anything, bizarrely, it’s the other way around. Most of us in this country have been brought up on the holocaust, on Anne Frank and the terrible pogroms that happened to the Jews. We’ve been taught that Israel was the answer, an oasis of safety, a refuge for these victims of an utterly heartbreaking crime.

And I think in a way that’s why. We’ve been complicit. Our government has been complicit. We see Israel with the best of intentions, as a fellow western democracy. Which is why it’s so disappointing, beyond disappointing, that the country we saw as a saviour of human rights has turned out to be a destroyer of the rights of others.

It’s an awful situation because the Israelis have trauma from their past. But now the Palestinians do too. A cycle of violence without end.

But to answer your question, it’s not anti-semitism, rather it’s our complicity and our realisation that what we thought was an honorable answer (a land without a people for a people without a land) was a lie that can only be maintained through the displacement and suffering of so many others.

I really hope that both sides find a way to live together and find justice.

Ihatetomatoes · 23/09/2025 18:52

mids2019 · 22/09/2025 06:24

Gaza will become a welfare state as you say as there is no economy and the people will be reliant essentially on aid. Does not Gaza face the same fate as Afghanistan? There is a lot of talk of a Palestinian state but no talk of its leadership and how to prevent radical Islam taking hold. Maybe history will repeat itself and you will have radical Islam gaining popularity in a new Palestine partly down to poverty with the potential of her more conflict. Again it's going to be woman at the bottom with their role primarily as child bearers.

Gaza has been a welfare state for a long time before October 7th. It's government rely on the world paying to feed, educate and provide healthcare to Gazans so that Hamas don't have to. I mean it had its own aid organisation for years supplying billions to keep them. No other country, no matter how the people suffer get that.

TomeTome · 23/09/2025 20:27

Presumably they will be in charge of their imports and exports and can region the world market.

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