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Conflict in the Middle East

Israel Publishes Report Dissecting Claims of Famine in Gaza

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Twiglets1 · 20/09/2025 13:52

‘Scientific Malpractice’: Israel Publishes 58-Page Report Dissecting Claims of Famine in Gaza (September 19th, 2025):

“An outright lie” and “a modern blood libel” is how Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu described the formal declaration of famine in Gaza by international hunger monitors in August. Netanyahu also cited a raft of statistics, such as the fact that Israel had facilitated the delivery of more than 2 million tons of aid to Gaza since October 2023. Nevertheless, Netanyahu’s brief statement lacked the depth of the 56-page statistics-laden report from the Integrated Food Security Phase Classification (IPC), a UN-backed hunger monitoring initiative.

Now Israel is matching the IPC report footnote-for-footnote. On September 11, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and the Coordinator for Government Activities in the Territories (COGAT) published an equally lengthy document entitled “Politics Disguised as Science: Systematic distortions in the IPC’s Gaza report of August 25.” The Israeli response observes that its purpose “is not to minimize the very real hardships faced by the civilian population in Gaza,” but to refute false accusations.

https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2025/09/19/scientific-malpractice-israel-publishes-58-page-report-dissecting-claims-of-famine-in-gaza/

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Twiglets1 · 20/09/2025 13:55

Monitors Acknowledge Relying on Malnutrition Data Absent From Initial Report

A crucial finding of the IPC’s August 22 report was that malnutrition among children had grown “exponentially” in July, exceeding 15 percent — the famine threshold — in the latter half of the month. Yet closer inspection of the raw data in the IPC report showed that malnutrition actually fell slightly in the latter half of the month and did not exceed 15 percent in either half. Subsequently, the IPC acknowledged this problem. In an August 30 follow-up note, the IPC explained it had actually relied on additional data that never appeared in the August 22 report at all.

The IPC released that data as part of an addendum to its initial report, yet the Israeli paper flags multiple inconsistencies in the new data. For example, it includes a survey whose quality the UN nutrition group in Gaza had previously determined to be deficient. The addendum also reassigns data from the latter half of July to the first half, an adjustment necessary to create the impression that malnutrition rose in the latter half of the month. The addendum does not inform the reader of these changes; they are only apparent to those who examine the data line-by-line.

Israel Disputes IPC Forecast of Famine Spreading to Nearly Entire Gaza Strip

The IPC’s report formally declared a famine in only one of Gaza’s four governorates but forecast it would reach three out of four by the end of September and possibly the fourth. In part, the Israeli response challenges that prediction by emphasizing the sharp increase in humanitarian aid that began arriving in Gaza while the IPC was preparing its analysis. The COGAT dashboard shows that 123,000 tons of food arrived in August, nearly doubling the amount the IPC considers necessary per month. The figure for mid-September stands at 49,000 tons.

The IPC also flagged “high prices, liquidity shortages, and a lack of purchasing power” as reasons that Gaza residents lack sufficient food. The Israeli response shows that prices for key goods, including flour, sugar, rice, cooking oil, and salt had all begun falling prior to the publication of the IPC report. Data from the UN’s World Food Program shows similar drops with the price of flour in Gaza’s northern governorates. In fact, flour fell 86 percent in August, sugar 98 percent, rice 92 percent, cooking oil 75 percent, and salt 20 percent.

Time To Revisit Flawed Analysis

The U.S. government should assign its own food security experts to vet the Israeli response paper and gauge its accuracy. If the American assessment concurs with the Israeli findings, the White House should publicize the result widely. While journalists have all but ignored the Israeli paper, they should carefully examine its findings and report them to readers. Finally, the IPC should prepare to issue a public evaluation of its forecast that famine would reach nearly all of Gaza by the end of September, ensuring it does not repeat past methodological errors.

https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2025/09/19/scientific-malpractice-israel-publishes-58-page-report-dissecting-claims-of-famine-in-gaza/

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Alittlefeedbackwouldbenice · 20/09/2025 13:56

People and regimes commuting genocide rarely admit it. This sort of denial is par for the course.

Would you pay any attention to a Hamas written publication denying they had some wrongdoing? This is no different.

All it is is cross examination material when Israel/Netenyahu are eventually brought to court because of their crimes.

Twiglets1 · 20/09/2025 14:05

Alittlefeedbackwouldbenice · 20/09/2025 13:56

People and regimes commuting genocide rarely admit it. This sort of denial is par for the course.

Would you pay any attention to a Hamas written publication denying they had some wrongdoing? This is no different.

All it is is cross examination material when Israel/Netenyahu are eventually brought to court because of their crimes.

You replied so quickly you could not have even read the content. By your own admission you equate "Israel/Netanyahu" with Hamas.

Israel is a country not a terrorist organisation.

A 58 page report has been published and I would expect the findings to be of interest to some people. Not you clearly as you didn't even take the time to read a few paragraphs.

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Alittlefeedbackwouldbenice · 20/09/2025 15:24

Twiglets1 · 20/09/2025 14:05

You replied so quickly you could not have even read the content. By your own admission you equate "Israel/Netanyahu" with Hamas.

Israel is a country not a terrorist organisation.

A 58 page report has been published and I would expect the findings to be of interest to some people. Not you clearly as you didn't even take the time to read a few paragraphs.

Both are regimes committing war crimes. One is continuing to do so.

No I have no interest in reading their protestations of innocence. Would you honestly plough through 58 pages of propaganda literally produced by Hamas.

I don't think they are equivalent.

I think Israel are worse right now. They have committed 97% of the deaths in this whole war and they continue to commit genocide on a daily basis. Being a democracy is no defence against genocide.

Yes Hamas need to go, but Israel need regime change and disarming just at much.

Twiglets1 · 20/09/2025 15:34

Alittlefeedbackwouldbenice · 20/09/2025 15:24

Both are regimes committing war crimes. One is continuing to do so.

No I have no interest in reading their protestations of innocence. Would you honestly plough through 58 pages of propaganda literally produced by Hamas.

I don't think they are equivalent.

I think Israel are worse right now. They have committed 97% of the deaths in this whole war and they continue to commit genocide on a daily basis. Being a democracy is no defence against genocide.

Yes Hamas need to go, but Israel need regime change and disarming just at much.

You say "one is continuing to do so" (commit war crimes).

Which one has stopped committing war crimes in your opinion?

And why are you blaming the whole of Israel for the actions of their government and IDF? Would you think it was ok if I said I blame all Gazans for the actions of Hamas?

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Alittlefeedbackwouldbenice · 20/09/2025 15:42

Twiglets1 · 20/09/2025 15:34

You say "one is continuing to do so" (commit war crimes).

Which one has stopped committing war crimes in your opinion?

And why are you blaming the whole of Israel for the actions of their government and IDF? Would you think it was ok if I said I blame all Gazans for the actions of Hamas?

I blame Israel in the same way as people say they blame Russia for the war against Ukraine. It's how language works. 🙄

What genocidal acts are Hamas conducting on an every day basis right now? None. Yes they are a terrorist organisation which needs to leave, but it's Israel alone that is committing acts of genocide daily, as confirmed by the UN and most major NGO's.

But you know this and chose to excuse them.

Twiglets1 · 20/09/2025 15:49

Alittlefeedbackwouldbenice · 20/09/2025 15:42

I blame Israel in the same way as people say they blame Russia for the war against Ukraine. It's how language works. 🙄

What genocidal acts are Hamas conducting on an every day basis right now? None. Yes they are a terrorist organisation which needs to leave, but it's Israel alone that is committing acts of genocide daily, as confirmed by the UN and most major NGO's.

But you know this and chose to excuse them.

Ok then I blame Palestine for the war if that's just how language works.

Both sides have likely committed war crimes. Holding hostages is the war crime that Hamas are definitely still committing.

You know we weren't talking about "genocidal acts" we were talking specifically about war crimes. But talking about genocide, Hamas still want to wipe out Jews they are just unable to because of not being that strong militarily compared to the IDF.

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kirinm · 20/09/2025 15:52

Israel will always have the OP defending literally anything even when its government ministers are being tried at The Hague.

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Twiglets1 · 20/09/2025 15:55

kirinm · 20/09/2025 15:52

Israel will always have the OP defending literally anything even when its government ministers are being tried at The Hague.

Why don't you try engaging with the actual topic we are discussing instead of popping up every few weeks with a personal attack that contributes zero towards the discussion?

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Newbutoldfather · 20/09/2025 15:59

People are really quick to rush to judgment on this, despite none of us knowing or being able to influence the outcome.

Israel clearly had a right to respond to 7/10 and to go after Hamas aggressively. And Hamas clearly wanted civilians to be hurt for PR gains.

But some of the actions and words of Israel have seemed to conflate the civilian population with Hamas and they have periodically blockaded Gaza of food, water and electricity, which are war crimes.

In addition the banning of journalists is a very ominous sign. And did they need to raze Gaza City to the ground and displace the population?

However, we don’t know their aims nor the ultimate outcome at this point. If many more Gazans are killed and the rest are displaced abroad, then it will be a genocide, no question.

OTOH, if in 5 years Gaza is being rebuilt and the original population is living in peace under a new Palestinian government, it really won’t have been a genocide, just a brutal war.

And we just cannot know at this point as both sides are so biased and genuine hard information is hard to come by.

Twiglets1 · 20/09/2025 16:10

Newbutoldfather · 20/09/2025 15:59

People are really quick to rush to judgment on this, despite none of us knowing or being able to influence the outcome.

Israel clearly had a right to respond to 7/10 and to go after Hamas aggressively. And Hamas clearly wanted civilians to be hurt for PR gains.

But some of the actions and words of Israel have seemed to conflate the civilian population with Hamas and they have periodically blockaded Gaza of food, water and electricity, which are war crimes.

In addition the banning of journalists is a very ominous sign. And did they need to raze Gaza City to the ground and displace the population?

However, we don’t know their aims nor the ultimate outcome at this point. If many more Gazans are killed and the rest are displaced abroad, then it will be a genocide, no question.

OTOH, if in 5 years Gaza is being rebuilt and the original population is living in peace under a new Palestinian government, it really won’t have been a genocide, just a brutal war.

And we just cannot know at this point as both sides are so biased and genuine hard information is hard to come by.

Finally a considered response, thank you.

I agree with you that the Israel government was very wrong to block humanitarian aid for so long - more a crime against humanity than a war crime according to Wikipedia but I don't know.

Very, very wrong anyway and I have never defended them for that. I think it highly likely that individual members of the IDF have committed war crimes.

I agree with you that in time it will be much clearer whether a genocide was committed or just a brutal war.

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Moglet4 · 20/09/2025 18:44

Honestly, my issue with this is that prices falling by 98%, 92%, 86 is nothing when they had risen by 5000% (according to the sources I’ve read). It definitely feels like it’s a ‘clutching at straws’ defence.

Twiglets1 · 20/09/2025 18:55

Moglet4 · 20/09/2025 18:44

Honestly, my issue with this is that prices falling by 98%, 92%, 86 is nothing when they had risen by 5000% (according to the sources I’ve read). It definitely feels like it’s a ‘clutching at straws’ defence.

That’s a fair point if there are reputable sources saying that these basic food items had risen 5000%

Can you provide the sources please?

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Moglet4 · 20/09/2025 19:26

Twiglets1 · 20/09/2025 18:55

That’s a fair point if there are reputable sources saying that these basic food items had risen 5000%

Can you provide the sources please?

https://time.com/7286150/gaza-food-prices-starvation/
Actionaid and conversation.com seem to have similar figures

$25 Butter and $40 Eggs: The Search for Food in Gaza

Gaza's soaring grocery prices are pushing families to the brink of starvation as aid remains blocked.

https://time.com/7286150/gaza-food-prices-starvation/

BigGra · 22/09/2025 20:16

Gaza: dying for food on BBC panorama now.

Twiglets1 · 22/09/2025 20:34

Moglet4 · 20/09/2025 19:26

https://time.com/7286150/gaza-food-prices-starvation/
Actionaid and conversation.com seem to have similar figures

Sorry, just realised I never replied to your post.

Your link dates back to May when prices were very high due to Israel's aid blockade, but food prices in Gaza are lower now.

This article from August reports that:

Food prices in Gaza have reportedly plummeted after Israel facilitated the entry of 300 aid trucks over several days earlier this month.

Official Israeli data shows that one kilogram of flour, which cost over £20, now sells for under £4. A kilogram of sugar was previously valued at £60, but has now fallen to under £10. A kilogram of pasta cost £20 and is now £2.50.

Israeli officials say the price drops reflect the increased aid – a view supported by independent economic historian Yannay Spitzer, who has consistently reported on the price fluctuations of food in Gaza.

Spitzer posted: "It took a few days for the severity of the situation to sink in in Israel, but eventually it got its act together and dramatically increased the amount of food facilitated into Gaza.

“The [Israeli data] shows how quick and effective it was. These levels suggest that the risk of imminent famine has likely been averted."

He added, however: "How sustainable this is in the long run remains to be seen.”

As the aid situation in Gaza remains volatile, things could change.

Spitzer went on: "Prices are still decreasing daily, and we still don't know what is the new normal.

"It seems that the quantity of food entering Gaza is sufficient to avert famine... however, the problem right now is one of efficient distribution."

Stealing and hoarding food, both of which are reported to be prevalent in the Strip, can lead to price increases.

https://www.thejc.com/news/israel/gaza-food-prices-plummet-following-aid-increase-mrtummjg

Gaza food prices ‘plummet’ following aid increase - The Jewish Chronicle

Israel’s move to boost food supplies to the Strip earlier this month is having a dramatic effect, says expert

https://www.thejc.com/news/israel/gaza-food-prices-plummet-following-aid-increase-mrtummjg

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Kendodd · 22/09/2025 22:02

Israel could always let international journalists into Gaza to confirm (or not) what they're saying.

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I wish I was being paid but sadly No.

Who are you anyway? Obviously someone who knows this board well but now appearing as "just another password".

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justasecond · 23/09/2025 20:42

Shock horror! Israel denies any wrongdoing. Yawn!
Glad you said it justanotherpassword. It’s actually ridiculous that mumsnet don’t do anything about it. I refuse to engage with these posters. There is literally nothing that Israel could do that they won’t excuse. Is anyone being convinced by this tired propaganda?!

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