UN blacklists Hamas terrorists after verifying sexual violence in Oct. 7 massacre

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Article in Ynet news & other sources reporting that the United Nations has formally acknowledged that Hamas terrorists committed — and continue to commit — some of the most brutal sexual crimes on record, including rape, gang rape, genital mutilation and sexual abuse in captivity.

After UN Secretary-General António Guterres resisted adding the terror group to the “blacklist” last year, and following extensive efforts by Israel’s Foreign Ministry, the UN is expected on August 14 to distribute the Secretary-General’s annual report to all members of the General Assembly.

The report details the “blacklist” of groups committing sexual crimes in armed conflicts — and, for the first time, it includes Hamas.

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/bjxudsidxg

No, it's not about point scoring. We are pointing out that the posters, who chant shame on you and accuse us of dehumanising Palestinians, never appear on these threads about rape - unless its at the hands of IDF, of course. Is the rape and torture of Israelis worth less than Palestinians? I was loathe to write that but solidarity, or even acknowledgment of the brutal, sick rape, before murdering woman isn't being talked about. I guess it's too uncomfortable for Susan Sarandon, among many other luvvies liberals.

I'm not even dignifying any of this, with a considered answer. VERY interesting username, BTW.

I would like to see the proof because all the hostages they previously released only had good things to say about their captors and their stories were hushed by Israel.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/03/26/middleeast/amit-soussana-israeli-hostage-hamas-sexual-assault-intl

she had good things to say?
They were scared if they said anything negative it would have repercussions on their friends and family still held hostage.

Evyatar David; still being held hostage, subjected to physical and psychological torture. Forced to dig his own grave on video to torment his family and friends.

is this yet another example ‘turn out your pockets, Jew’?

At last. It took the UN a long time. The sooner the planet is rid of Hamas the better.

I would like to see the proof
Like what? What we've got is an acknowledgement from the UN that it has happened with them getting as much evidence as anyone can get.

Noone is owed proof. You have the option to trust publications from the UN or not.

Totally.
And the fact that craven governments including ours offer recognition of an actual state for Hamas is beyond comprehension.

Why? Normal procedure is the country allows in a UN investigative team. Israel refused to allow a UN team in so with fewer investigators, it naturally took longer to gather the evidence to the standard required to add Hamas to the blacklist.

It’s just basic maths. Fewer investigators = investigation and report take longer.

That won't ever happen. We do know why France acknowledged Palestine as a state. 💸 💰

It is great news but I had been expecting it since March 2024 and it was pretty much a given they’d be blacklisted once the UN issued that initial report on sexual violence by Hamas on hostages (Israel did let in one UN investigator to interview released hostages who reported sexual violence- they just chose to investigate Oct 7th by themselves.)

Hamas are used to being disappointed by the UN. The UN has continuously condemned them and called for the unconditional release of the hostages.

They did take longer than they should, but also did do it faster than they have with other very recent conflicts though. The “Our Bodies, Their Battlefield” by Christina Lamb is a shocking and sobering read on how sexual violence as a weapon of war hasn’t been given the priority it should have.

I do wonder if Trump cutting the USA funding to the UN might make this worse?

Hamas is on its last legs as rulers of Gaza. The biggest danger to Israel is creating successors to Hamas imho.

I’m here. I’m against all sexual violence and will speak up for all victims regardless of ethnicity, religion, sex, nationality, age, sexual orientation, gender etc.

When it’s coming from a country that continuously lies then yes I would never believe a word they say. I had dear friends in Gaza who spent their lives improving the lives of their people, and even more so after war broke out. One was a doctor, the other become a very well known public figure. A man of kindness and compassion and do you want to know what Israel did? They targeted the doctors house and killed him, his friend, his wife, his elderly parents and 12 children all playing together, all killed. That is the proof I’m talking about.

I find this so interesting from a psychological POV.

These people are able to blot out what Hamas, and also Palestinian civilians, did on Oct 7th. The images videoed by themselves including Shani Louk’s body on the truck, the young woman being taken by her hair out of the Jeep with blood on the seat of her trousers and heel cut, the body of a woman being dragged through Gaza on a motorbike, the young girls lined up covered in blood, and even the more horrific images of the decapitated Israeli soldiers (who’s heads were chopped off by hand) and the women’s half burnt bodies, legs apart with nails in their genitals. This wasn’t war, this was monstrous savagery.

Even Al Sharif being hugged by Sinwar but they STILL insist that Hamas are the good guys and some of the hostages were treated well.

What that actually shows is that the Hamas and their supporters in Gaza are able to behave with monstrous savagery of unparalleled evil when they feel like it (they weren’t attacking and kidnapping civilians in self defence) but also that they can be nice and kind when they want to be (for propaganda purposes).

This, to me, is actually worse than them behaving like savages all the time as it shows self control and restraint, so their savagery being a deliberate choice, not as a defence even.

Civilians were cheering over the dead bodies of young women, almost nude, which indicates they were also sexually attacked.

They were celebrating the deaths of a young mother and her two babies, as well as an 87 year old man, while their caskets were unloaded, with their own children.

Again, all filmed by themselves.

Yet people in the West think this is somehow relatable and was inevitable due to Israel having to prevent these types of people from doing what they did, WITH GLEE, on Oct 7th, for decades PRIOR to Oct 7th.

This should be a wake up call for all of us in the West that these people who defend this walk amongst us.

Israel and Russia are at risk of being blacklisted next year. Each years blacklist covers the prior year. So the 2025 blacklist covers sexual violence in 2024.

“For the first time, the report includes two parties that have been notified the U.N. has “credible information” that could put them on next year’s blacklist if they don't take preventive actions: Israel’s military and security forces over allegations of sexual abuse of Palestinians primarily in prisons and detention, and Russian forces and affiliated armed groups against Ukrainian prisoners of war.” https://uk.news.yahoo.com/sexual-violence-conflicts-worldwide-increased-222043127.html

Why? Curious what you have heard/read/seen

The Palestinian state of the 2 state solution has never been and never would be “for Hamas”

And as much as Netanyahu is hated, I thoroughly agree with him on this:

https://x.com/IsraeliPM/status/1956040389590155606

The Dinah Project managed to gather the evidence and publish it before the UN managed to.

Hear hear and I will remember her post, whenever I'm told it's NOT Hamas, they are believing.

For me, you posted this last night at almost midnight (on holiday) and I’ve been too busy having fun to spend hours on Mumsnet. This afternoon it is too hot even to go by the pool. So I’m here.

That's you but what about all the others? Some have been posting on other threads but ignoring his one which was sadly predictable.

Well that is no surprise as the Dinah Project was set up by the Rackman Centre at Bar-Itar University inside Israel.

So the UN who were not allowed into Israel to investigate Oct 7th sexual violence took longer to gather evidence and publish a report than did a group of Israeli investigators in Israel. Even in January 2025, Israel was still blocking the UN from investigating Oct 7th: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-01-08/ty-article/.premium/israel-blocks-un-hamas-v-crimes-probe-to-avoid-inquiry-into-abuse-of-palestinians/00000194-44e0-d087-a9bd-7de1d5f20000.

The March 2024 publication was based on 1 UN investigator interviewing released hostages and the evidence given to the UN by the Dinah Project.