She said thay she believes they would feel betrayed if Palestinians as a whole are given their fundamental human rights whilst Hamas(40000 out of 5.3million people) remain in power.
No I did not say anything remotely like that. You've been told three times now. What was very clearly said to you is that they would feel betrayed by Britain recognising a Palestinian ‘state’ while Hamas still holds hostages, remains in power and openly vows more massacres like 7 October. If you keep lying about what I said I will keep copying and pasting until the thread expires, so I can go at this for a year if that's what you want.
She has clearly said that she thinks that British Jews believe that the most basic of our human rights as recognised by International law should come with caveats. Self determination is a fundamental human right.
Utter bullshit. Nothing like what I said. And you're also more generally talking garbage. "Self-Determination" is the right of a people to decide their political status and pursue economic, social, and cultural development. Yes, self-determination is a recognised human right, but no, not every group gets a state, and most don’t.
Unlike, say, the Scots or Basques, Palestinian factions are not pursuing peaceful self-determination, they are still engaged in open warfare, hostage-taking, and the intentional murder of civilians.
A fundamental human right is supposed to be a basic freedom or entitlement that every person has simply because they are human. These rights are supposed to be:
Universal, they apply to all people, everywhere.
Inalienable, they cannot be taken away, even if not always respected.
Inherent, they are not earned or granted; they belong to you by birth.
And here lies the most sickening part of your post, which is that you’re arguing to hand statehood and international legitimacy to a regime that openly denies not only the Jewish right to self-determination, but the Jewish right to exist.
Hamas’s founding charter calls for the eradication of Israel, its leaders publicly vow to repeat October 7 “again and again,” and they celebrate the murder of civilians. Supporting recognition of a Palestinian state while that group holds power is not a stand for human rights, it’s an endorsement of one people’s rights at the direct expense of another’s. That’s not justice. That’s complicity.
What makes this worse is that there is nothing in Judaism or the global Jewish community that denies Arabs the right to self-determination. Aside from not denying legitimacy to the existing 22 Arab states, Israeli leaders have repeatedly supported a two-state solution, and Jewish communities around the world have called for peaceful coexistence.
Meanwhile, the Arab Charter on Human Rights (2004) makes a mockery of universality by affirming self-determination for all peoples but then explicitly excluding Jews!!!!!
Article 2(c): “All peoples have the right of self-determination. They shall freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development.”
But then:
Article 2(d): “All forms of racism, Zionism and foreign occupation and domination are a violation of human dignity and a fundamental obstacle to the enjoyment of the fundamental rights of peoples...”
By equating Zionism, the Jewish right to self-determination, with racism, the Arab Charter specifically denies Jews the very right it claims to uphold for everyone else.
That isn’t universalism. That’s ethnic discrimination baked into a supposed “human rights” framework. If you're serious about human rights, you should be condemning that not defending regimes that uphold it or trying to turn the tables.