Hamas mouthpiece

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https://www.commentary.org/seth-mandel/hamass-american-mouthpieces/

A lawsuit filed against several anti-Semitic organizations. The suit alleges, with a fair amount of evidence, that these groups aren’t merely pro-Hamas in outlook but that they coordinate their messaging and actions with Hamas and other terror groups.

Sounds about right.

First up: “Three minutes before Hamas began its attack on October 7, Columbia SJP posted on Instagram ‘We are back!!’ and announced its first meeting of the semester would be announced and that viewers should ‘Stay tuned.’ Before the post, Columbia SJP’s account had been dormant for months.”

"Groups named in the suit also echoed Hamas’s public pronouncements. For example, they echoed Hamas’s call for a Day of Rage (though one of the groups used the phrase Day of Resistance) on the same day. “The advertisements for these events included clear references to many materials produced and provided by AMP/NSJP and even Hamas itself.” The days of rage on behalf of Hamas caused the closure of Jewish schools and other institutions in New York as well as Columbia’s campus, all out of security concerns. “Jewish students at Columbia University and Barnard College were advised to lock their doors and remain inside for their own safety.”

"These marches took place in the immediate aftermath of Oct. 7, 2023, well before Israel’s counteroffensive ground incursion in Gaza began. Columbia’s march prominently featured Mahmoud Khalil, the Syrian-born U.S. permanent resident that the Trump administration is trying to deport for omitting certain past affiliations on his official application. At that point, not even a week had passed since the Hamas attacks. These organizations—again, which grew out of a coalition founded by a current Hamas leader—were essentially gloating in lockstep with Hamas.

After that, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, a designated terrorist organization that took part in 10/7, got directly involved with some of the protests. The PFLP had earlier pledged full allegiance to Hamas in the 10/7 attacks and the ensuing conflict."

"Last spring, CUAD, Within Our Lifetime, and Samidoun—a now-designated terror front for PFLP—hosted an event called “Resistance 101.” According to the complaint, “Though Columbia barred the event from taking place, CUAD and Within Our Lifetime proceeded with it anyway. The speakers included (i) Khaled Bakarat, a PFLP terrorist; (ii) Charlotte Kates, Barakat’s wife and a leader of Samidoun; and (iii) Sean Eren, a member of the NSJP Steering Committee.”

The tentifada encampments, meanwhile, earned the praise of Hezbollah’s (since-deceased) leader Hassan Nasrallah as well as a PFLP deputy secretary-general and other high-ranking terrorist figures. A Hamas-aligned Telegram account, the Resistance News Network, linked to a post that crowed: “Inspired by the example Columbia University students set with their Gaza Solidarity Encampment beginning April 17, campus organizations across the world have followed suit.”

"At one CUAD “resistance” event this past fall, attendees were handed unfiltered Hamas propaganda. One read: “This booklet is part of a coordinated and intentional effort to uphold the principles of the Thawabit and the Palestinian Resistance movement overall. By transmitting the words of the Resistance [Hamas] directly, this material aims to build popular support for the Palestinian war of national liberation, a war which is waged
through armed struggle.”

The complaint adds: “Lest there be any confusion, the booklet included messages from Hamas and PFLP leaders, including a quote from Hamas’ Al-Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades, stating that ‘We will emerge upon you from where you least expect it"

"A Within Our Lifetime event included its leader Nerdeen Kiswani’s “performance of Yahya Sinwar’s last will and testament”—Sinwar being the Hamas leader and mastermind of the 10/7 rapes and massacres who has since been eliminated by Israel. CUAD published a “tribute” to Sinwar. In a separate post, CUAD called to “bring the war home” underneath an infamous photo of the second intifada in which a man who has killed and mutilated the body of a Jewish civilian holds up his bloodstained hands to the cheers of the Palestinian crowd outside."

"The examples are endless, and the material-support claims will be adjudicated in court. But consider for a moment how these groups and people are described in mainstream reporting on the issue. CUAD, according to the New York Times, is part of a “pro-Palestinian student movement.” To the Washington Post, it’s “the main protest group.”

Chilling but not surprising in my experience. What happens next I wonder.

It is.

I knew most wouldn't comment on this but posted it anyway for people to see the truth. It's chilling. It's true. It's ignored.

On this board for sure but irl not so much. I am interested in where this may lead, not yet apprehensive, though I know many people who are.

In other news we're closer to world conflict than we have been since the Cuban missile crisis. I do hope benign grown ups are in charge.

The swiftness with which worldwide protests in support of Palestine (in reaction to the Hamas pogrom of Oct 5th )manifested and their lack of disorganisation always suggested contrivance as opposed to spontaneity.

But suggesting that the Islamist incursion in Western societies is institutional as well as personal appears socially and politically anathema/taboo.

Islamist funding of universities via Qatar is off the chain.
As is the Special Pleading non assimilationist requests on behalf of Islam in all strata of society.

Equating Islam with Race was another stroke of genius.

And now Liberal/Left wing parties consider the Muslim vote of importance, even though the societal financial contribution of Muslims in the UK per capita is low.

Hindus, East Asians, Black votes are not considered in such a walking in eggshells way for political parties who claim to be fair and non racist.

A lot has been achieved with little non self serving group contribution in forty years.

I'm not sure if I should not "chapeau".

Oct 7th surely?

There are certainly concerns about the actors behind this division and how they have been enabled.

Chinese and Qatari funding of universities is a real concern and we are already feeling the effects of the graduate activist class capturing our organisations and institutions.

I have always wondered who funds some of these people. You have individuals who claim to be oppressed but seem to have no problems globetrotting, studying at expensive universities and living as activists. Who is funding that?

I shake my head at the amount of useful idiots there are. All these groups marching for Palestine. Most people haven’t got a clue what the hell they’re supporting. There’s a group of people, and it’s always the same group who repeat carefully planted social media soundbites. Scream “But won’t someone think of the children”

Ask them about Hamas or the way groups who largely reflect the groups the march for any cause rent a mob are part of are treated in much of the Middle East outside of Israel it met with a blank expression, Turkeys voting for Christmas

Countries like Iran realise that they can fund numerous terrorist groups and some people in the west will not realise they are being used, ultimately by Iran to further their aims.

We all have so much freedom here, (rightly) but when that freedom is used to wave Hamas colours, sing to the Houthis to turn boats around, chant along to the destruction of a country, praise Hezbollah leaders, etc., then its a bit sickening. I'm sure Iran etc love it though. Not sure many of these individuals would actually enjoy living in terrorist controlled countries or areas or in Iran for that matter, but hey ho, they don't have to. Privileged being able to even do what they do.

'Education' is a curious thing. A lot of my teachers were socialists, especially the history teachers, but it was a benign socialism that wanted society to work fairly and well (opinions differ how you get there). It was a faith school but most pupils were agnostic and the concept of free will (to follow or not) was paramount, though there was lots of talk about how wonderful it was to 'know' God. I haven't brought up my children with my faith and they may miss the sense of community I had, but they won't grow up with 'the fear of God' and the dogma, they will still grow up with the sense of wonder and preciousness of the world and people around them. I can see how faith is the glue that holds a community together, but may also separate it from other communities.

I don't think we appreciate the value of social cohesion in the UK as much as we should and that is our exploitable weakness for those with malign intent. I watch Scandinavia with interest.
I suppose I see it as a choice which I'm lucky to have, better the devil you know. People in China and Qatar may like their regimes (depending on where they are in the hierarchy) but I like what we have here, it's not perfect, it needs work, but tearing it down won't make it better.
Some might think that nothing brings a people together more than an existential threat to their way of life, at that point you'll see who considers you to be 'their' people.
I also note how short sighted successive governments have been with respect to abdicating responsibility for critical infrastructure and food security. The EU is a powerful economic and political block but in times of crisis like Covid, nation state governments have a responsibility to look after their own citizens.

I also keep thinking of the phrase 'turkeys voting for christmas.'

True.

I think a large number of people silently shake their head.

You read with speed.

I'm on this very thread now, reading as posts pop up.

I'm not on many threads since given up on some. Some really aren't worth the energy.

I don't have a faith either. I did once, but right or wrong there is so much done in the name of religion that isn't condemned widely enough (in my opinion).

I think it can be easy to weaponise. The people of faith that I know tend to do good things with it, it helps a lot of lost and vulnerable people, but these lost and vulnerable people can be easy to manipulate.

I still would say I have a faith, I can't and don't justify it, it's between me and my idea of God. Some of my more evangelical friends would like me to go deeper but I'm happy where I am and they still put up with me. I'm troubled by people I see subsumed by faith beyond the point of reason, it doesn't appeal to me but I can see how some people might grasp it as a lifebelt. Lots of people who would call themselves agnostic or atheist would start to pray if they were in a plane crash.

The footage I've seen of men preaching hate to congregations is something I don't see the UK government tackling, it's incitement to violence and should lead to convictions.

The same useful idiots, at Oxford Uni, who are lucky to be protected by Jewish lecturers, having signed a letter for the protestors' fair treatment.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cly3jld7gnyo.amp

Anyone with an open mind could do worse than watching this for 10 minutes.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Israel/s/ZtqQN5SvPN

It’s Reddit yes, but this is how the news is managed coming out of Gaza.

Yes it's managed. That's why no deaths are hamas operatives. Hamas manage all the information. Interesting watch from the journalist which his report on how it is.

In Iran we see leaders killed. In Haza few hamas killed. Cannot be true.