The Last Hamas Leader

[Twiglets1]

Brigadier General Barak Hiram says Hamas's rule in Gaza is collapsing as it faces financial and leadership crises, which could lead to the people of Gaza overthrowing the terrorist regime themselves.

Hrim claimed that "Hamas has been having a very hard time paying salaries to its entire apparatus in recent months. Now, as soon as the apparatus ceases to exist, and people stop reporting for Hamas work, Hamas loses its power and Hamas ceases to exist."

“Hamas is a dictatorial regime, and more than it fears an outside enemy, it fears an internal one,” he stated. “For Arab rulers, their worst nightmare is the people dragging them into the streets. I believe that the last Hamas leader—if we don’t manage to kill him—will be taken out by the people, who will treat him as Libyans treated Gadhafi. When that happens, we’ll know the time is right to form a new model of governance in that area—one that isn’t Hamas.”

https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/409071

Or continue with his ethic cleansing? Let’s take a back seat and watch, shall we?

You asked why Netanyahu has continued to refuse a ceasefire but he has stated clearly enough that the war will end when Hamas “lays down its arms, is no longer in government” and “its leaders are exiled from the Gaza Strip”.

Not that there are many Hamas leaders left in the Gaza Strip now, which brings us nicely back to the title of the thread.

No he didn’t. He said Trumps plan must be enacted. Not much of a ceasefire plan then is it?

That was a new condition he only announced in May 2025.

It’s clear now that Hamas should have agreed to a ceasefire much earlier don’t you think, before Trump got involved with his vision of the Gaza riviera. The longer Hamas delay the ending of the war, the worse the terms will be & the more civilians will die.

I can’t seriously see Trumps vision happening… more likely to be a Middle Eastern group rebuilding and developing Gaza I imagine.

Does Middle East Riviera developed by Egypt sound more palatable to you @veiledsentiments ?

@Twiglets1 ”I can’t seriously see Trumps vision happening… more likely to be a Middle Eastern group rebuilding and developing Gaza I imagine.”

The rest of the Middle East care not for the Palestinians and their endless terrorist activities though. They don’t want to be involved with the Palestinians. They don’t want to import other people’s problems.
Otherwise Egypt, Jordon, Syria, even Iran would have accepted them as refugees.
The Palestinians don’t want peace. So they are not getting peace.
Hamas could have ended this war way, way before Gaza got destroyed.
They could end the war tomorrow.

Wouldn’t it be nice if it was a land a land that included Palestinians and Israelis all living together as equals. No oppression, no walls. Wouldn’t that be nice?

Rebuilding Gaza is going to be an investment opportunity for someone.

Egypt has proposed a plan to redevelop Gaza with the aid of a huge amount of funding (& obviously without Hamas militants being allowed to remain) and personally I think that proposal is more likely to eventually go ahead than Trump’s version. That’s just my personal opinion though.

All I know is there’s no place for Hamas whoever ends up rebuilding Gaza. So I don’t know what they think they are still fighting for.

Now you’re sounding like John Lennon, “Imagine”.

Yes it would be nice but it doesn’t seem realistic, sadly.

Wouldn't it? But....palestinians (who don't already live in Israel) don't want to be governed by Israel (apparently). Israelis don't want to live under jihadis, (who would?) so two autonomous states is a theoretical compromise.

Though that does presuppose the absence of continuous rocket fire and suicide bombers.

edited for autocarrot

On both sides.

Nah… only Hamas go in for suicide bombing.

For the IDF it’s not a logical thing to do.

I keep seeing this thing on twitter suggesting that the Saudis have made normalising contingent on Israel getting rid of Hamas completely. Not sure how true that is. What will be interesting is what Gazans themselves say about Hamas after this. Probably something like “the fuckers kneecapped me”. Terrorist supporters in the UK are so appalling ignorant. If they were that popular they could have held an election at any point in the last 17 years to embed their legitimacy. They didn’t.

I stand corrected. Egypt, Saudi Arabia (representing the gulf states) and Jordon will lead the rebuilding plan, when the war ends permanently.
That happens when Hamas are gone.

Yes hopefully 🤞

I don't quite follow the argument that all you need to do is eliminate Hamas and then everything will be Hunky Dory.
Hamas going leads to a power vacuum with all sorts of gangs and gangsters jockeying for position in the chaos. Look at what happened with the looting of the aid trucks by these factions. That, I guess is what Israel hopes for, because whilst Gazans fight amongst themselves, they present less of a threat to Israel.

Realistically, In order to retain some sort of stability, Hamas might have to remain as an administrative body until there are elections. That idea might not be too appealing to one or two on here, but in terms of Realpolitik and what is best for Palestinians it could well be a case of having to keep on Hamas.

I remember earlier on in Nov 23 some posters mentioning that although undesirable, the prospect of Hamas maintaining power was the least worst of any realistic outcomes.

This notion that elections in Gaza will lead to cuddly politicians who will love Israel is a nonsense. The next generation of Gazans are likely to be just as angry as the last and that mood is unlikely to change until there is a Palestinian state.

And the Palestinians won't get a state until they get leadership who can be trusted not to use violence for political aims.
Its a bleak picture you paint of Palestinians in general. I prefer to hope that they have those among them who could lead them to peace.

There is no way Hamas will be allowed to stay after their violent actions on October 7th @mouthpipette

I don't know that anyone thinks that everything will automatically be Hunky Dory if they leave, but it is the first step.

There is no way Hamas will be allowed to stay after their violent actions on October 7th @Twiglets1

I wouldn't be so sure of that. I can envisage a situation whereby they remain, but I could be wrong, we shall see.

And the Palestinians won't get a state until they get leadership who can be trusted not to use violence for political aims. @dairydebris

Reminds me of the lines from Tom Lehrer, written 60 years ago

For might makes right
And till they've seen the light
They've got to be protected
All their rights respected
Till somebody we like can be elected.

(Send the Marines, 1965)

What do we do ?
Keep them voting until they get it right ?
Or interfere in the elections in favour of "our guy".

Tricky.

Interesting how apt the same words are 60 years later.
Humans are messed up / amazing apes.
Very tricky yes.

Wernher von braun ( German rocket scientist who after WW2 went to work for the US.) is a brilliant song.
Written 1965. Amazing that he could see the Chinese coming.

You too may be a big hero,
Once you've learned to count backwards to zero.
"In German or der English I know how to count down,
Und I'm learning Chinese!" says Wernher von Braun.

ITV news right now any Israeli supporters?

Last Hamas leader standing wants an honorable deal in Gaza

Izz al-Din al-Haddad, the current leader of Hamas in Gaza, said recently that he will either achieve an “honorable deal” to end the war in Gaza or else it will be “a war of liberation or a war of martyrdom,” according to the New York Times. The paper reported that he was heavily involved in the current ceasefire negotiations.

Western Intelligence officials quoted in the Times' report said Haddad, who is the last senior member of Hamas to survive the war and Israel's targeted killings, was in Gaza City.

Haddad, who is in his 50s, took part in the October 7 massacre. He speaks Hebrew and had held hostages in northern Gaza, including the female IDF lookouts who were released last January in the last ceasefire and hostage exchange deal.

Haddad is not likely to concede his demand for an end to the war and the withdrawal of IDF troops from the Strip.

www.ynetnews.com/article/sy6gorshxe

Absolutely chilling. A war of liberation or a war of martyrdom. He's literally telling his people to be prepared to die for the cause.
Thanks for posting again @Twiglets1 God knows I've been on here enough today, that's me out for the weekend.