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CrunchyKnees · 02/04/2025 19:46

It’s lucky for Munther the evil, genocidal IDF released him with no visible injuries but killed everyone else.

Why was the ambulance convoy not coordinated with the IDF which had seems to be normal protocol in this particular war zone? Munther didn’t say it was. Why approach the IDF troops without informing them they were coming?

Is there any evidence that the 9 proclaimed terrorists weren’t actually terrorists?

Do the IDF normally bury the bodies of their perceived enemy on enemy ground? Is this normal practice?

I wonder who is the BBC’s trusted journalist working in Gaza? I didn’t think there were any international press allowed in Gaza?

Questions. questions………..

Very tragic and outrageously evil of Hamas and PIJ if innocent medics were killed while being forced to transport terrorists if that was the case.

EasterIssland · 02/04/2025 20:03

Thanks @Scirocco i did post about this poor man in the thread I opened about this doctors.

hope one day all those that have committed war crimes are behind bars

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Scirocco · 02/04/2025 21:32

"Is there any evidence that the 9 proclaimed terrorists weren’t actually terrorists?" - Is there any evidence that 9 'proclaimed terrorists' were actually terrorists? The names of the deceased are known. One name was given for a 'proclaimed terrorist', and that name doesn't match the reported names of the deceased. There appears to have been no evidence given of what actual threat the emergency workers posed and why they were killed and killed in the way they were.

"Do the IDF normally bury the bodies of their perceived enemy on enemy ground? Is this normal practice?" - Well, the IDF does have a record of doing so. There is video footage of the IDF using vehicles to run people over and bury them, and widespread evidence of their use of shallow graves, as well as refusing to return the bodies of deceased people in timely and respectful ways. It is another form of psychological warfare, designed to cause further suffering for Palestinians (in this case - other countries also use these practices, and Hamas and other groups have also used such practices).

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CrunchyKnees · 02/04/2025 22:31

Scirocco · 02/04/2025 21:32

"Is there any evidence that the 9 proclaimed terrorists weren’t actually terrorists?" - Is there any evidence that 9 'proclaimed terrorists' were actually terrorists? The names of the deceased are known. One name was given for a 'proclaimed terrorist', and that name doesn't match the reported names of the deceased. There appears to have been no evidence given of what actual threat the emergency workers posed and why they were killed and killed in the way they were.

"Do the IDF normally bury the bodies of their perceived enemy on enemy ground? Is this normal practice?" - Well, the IDF does have a record of doing so. There is video footage of the IDF using vehicles to run people over and bury them, and widespread evidence of their use of shallow graves, as well as refusing to return the bodies of deceased people in timely and respectful ways. It is another form of psychological warfare, designed to cause further suffering for Palestinians (in this case - other countries also use these practices, and Hamas and other groups have also used such practices).

Are the IDF supposed to stop and check for evidence of a threat before reacting to vehicles approaching them, vehicles known to be used as transportation and attack vehicles for Hamas, no lights in use to indicate they were going to an emergency and I would assume not stopping on approach @Scirocco? Wait until they are ambushed?

This is in a densely populated war zone. not on a country road off the A31.

I believe the IDF over terrorist propaganda I’m afraid.

Can you link to the video footage showing the IDF deliberately using vehicles to run people over and bury them and also of them burying them in shallow graves?

I’m confused as I always thought the refusing to return dead bodies was a Hamas practice.

Aren’t they still holding the bodies of hostages either killed and taken into Gaza (kind of like an animal with it’s kill IMO) on Oct 7th, or murdered while in captivity?

Didn’t they hold the Bibas babies bodies hostage for over a year after murdering them and mutilating their bodies.

I’ll have to research if the IDF have carried out similar horrific acts for which they really are no words.

BRB.

Martymcfly24 · 02/04/2025 22:35

I’m confused as I always thought the refusing to return dead bodies was a Hamas practice
@CrunchyKnees

Have you heard of Israel's Cemeteries of Numbers?

CrunchyKnees · 02/04/2025 22:42

DIdn’t the Syrians refuse to return the body of the Israeli, Eli Cohen, who was executed there in 1965. Still refusing to give up the body or location 60 years later.

It’s obviously been going on for a long time and common in the Arab world?

Martymcfly24 · 02/04/2025 22:47

So it's ok that Israel is doing it.
@CrunchyKnees

Again Cemeteries of Numbers.
Ironically also going on about 60 years.

Mylegishangingoff · 02/04/2025 22:52

CrunchyKnees · 02/04/2025 22:42

DIdn’t the Syrians refuse to return the body of the Israeli, Eli Cohen, who was executed there in 1965. Still refusing to give up the body or location 60 years later.

It’s obviously been going on for a long time and common in the Arab world?

Perhaps what you are trying to say is common in the Middle East considering Israel hold 100s of Palestinian bodies including the bodies of children it's certainly not just the 'Arab world'.

Martymcfly24 · 02/04/2025 22:55

Mylegishangingoff · 02/04/2025 22:52

Perhaps what you are trying to say is common in the Middle East considering Israel hold 100s of Palestinian bodies including the bodies of children it's certainly not just the 'Arab world'.

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Buried without a name just a file number.

The final insult to their memory.

Odras · 02/04/2025 22:57

CrunchyKnees · 02/04/2025 22:31

Are the IDF supposed to stop and check for evidence of a threat before reacting to vehicles approaching them, vehicles known to be used as transportation and attack vehicles for Hamas, no lights in use to indicate they were going to an emergency and I would assume not stopping on approach @Scirocco? Wait until they are ambushed?

This is in a densely populated war zone. not on a country road off the A31.

I believe the IDF over terrorist propaganda I’m afraid.

Can you link to the video footage showing the IDF deliberately using vehicles to run people over and bury them and also of them burying them in shallow graves?

I’m confused as I always thought the refusing to return dead bodies was a Hamas practice.

Aren’t they still holding the bodies of hostages either killed and taken into Gaza (kind of like an animal with it’s kill IMO) on Oct 7th, or murdered while in captivity?

Didn’t they hold the Bibas babies bodies hostage for over a year after murdering them and mutilating their bodies.

I’ll have to research if the IDF have carried out similar horrific acts for which they really are no words.

BRB.

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I think the question is why did they kill the occupants and bury them?

Both sides have used dead bodies as leverage in negotiation. It is not an “Arab” thing to keep dead bodies. Just as it is not a Jewish thing to do so either.

CrunchyKnees · 02/04/2025 23:58

Martymcfly24 · 02/04/2025 22:35

I’m confused as I always thought the refusing to return dead bodies was a Hamas practice
@CrunchyKnees

Have you heard of Israel's Cemeteries of Numbers?

I stand corrected then, which I have no issue with, it does happen on both sides. I honestly never knew this.

https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2016/01/05/462037563/israels-return-of-palestinian-bodies-is-fraught-with-emotion-and-politics

It’s absolutely abhorrent that families of both Israelis and Palestinians are not able to bury their dead, although I have rather less sympathy for the dead who have committed terrorist attacks, and can kind of see why Israel have taken the stance that they have as explained in the article, using the strategy used against them, not that I agree with it.

Bit of a different kettle of fish to murdering a 9 month old, 3 year old, their mother and an 84 old man in cold blood though, and keeping their bodies hostage for over a year, then parading their coffins as part of a show.

Or decapitating a 19 year old soldier (who would be classed as a child in Hamas figures), putting his head for sale for $10k, and holding it hostage in an ice cream shop.

Not really comparable IMO and nuances are important in the propaganda war of this conflict.

Israel's Return Of Palestinian Bodies Is Fraught With Emotion And Politics

Israel holds the bodies of scores of Palestinians killed in years of violence. It has returned many in recent weeks, but earlier had resisted doing so, partly in fear of triggering more attacks.

https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2016/01/05/462037563/israels-return-of-palestinian-bodies-is-fraught-with-emotion-and-politics

EasterIssland · 05/04/2025 09:25

Seems like the survivor wasn’t lying and the ambulance had the lights on unlike what the IDF had said

Video Shows Aid Workers Killed in Gaza Under Gunfire Barrage, With Ambulance Lights On

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/04/world/middleeast/gaza-israel-aid-workers-deaths-video.html?smid=tw-share

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Sheworeblueve · 05/04/2025 13:37

CrunchyKnees · 02/04/2025 19:46

It’s lucky for Munther the evil, genocidal IDF released him with no visible injuries but killed everyone else.

Why was the ambulance convoy not coordinated with the IDF which had seems to be normal protocol in this particular war zone? Munther didn’t say it was. Why approach the IDF troops without informing them they were coming?

Is there any evidence that the 9 proclaimed terrorists weren’t actually terrorists?

Do the IDF normally bury the bodies of their perceived enemy on enemy ground? Is this normal practice?

I wonder who is the BBC’s trusted journalist working in Gaza? I didn’t think there were any international press allowed in Gaza?

Questions. questions………..

Very tragic and outrageously evil of Hamas and PIJ if innocent medics were killed while being forced to transport terrorists if that was the case.

https://x.com/SkyNews/status/1908446722067398804

https://x.com/SkyNews/status/1908446722067398804

Flamingpantoufles · 05/04/2025 14:20

It's appalling but I don't think the video footage will change anything. Some spurious justification will be given and it will get buried under tomorrow's news.

Odras · 05/04/2025 14:54

This is shocking. I agree it will change nothing. They are barely trying to hide what they are doing now that the US is 100% behind them.

Whatsinanamehey · 05/04/2025 19:46

@CrunchyKnees "I believe the IDF over terrorist propaganda I’m afraid."

Famous last words. Anything to say now that the IDF lies have been caught?

Whatsinanamehey · 05/04/2025 19:47

In the aftermath of this particular incident, when 15 emergency and aid workers were killed and found buried in a mass grave, the IDF spokesman released a statement confidently saying that the IDF "did not randomly attack an ambulance" and claiming the vehicles were moving "without headlights or emergency signals".
The new footage, obtained by the Palestine Red Crescent Society (PRCS) and verified by Sky News, completely undermines that.
This will now call into question the credibility of statements issued by the IDF. There will be serious questions about the rules of engagement Israeli soldiers are operating under and the morality of IDF commanders in Gaza.

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 05/04/2025 23:08

Whatsinanamehey · 05/04/2025 19:47

In the aftermath of this particular incident, when 15 emergency and aid workers were killed and found buried in a mass grave, the IDF spokesman released a statement confidently saying that the IDF "did not randomly attack an ambulance" and claiming the vehicles were moving "without headlights or emergency signals".
The new footage, obtained by the Palestine Red Crescent Society (PRCS) and verified by Sky News, completely undermines that.
This will now call into question the credibility of statements issued by the IDF. There will be serious questions about the rules of engagement Israeli soldiers are operating under and the morality of IDF commanders in Gaza.

The IDF should know that the Palestinians in Gaza record everything thing that happens to them. They have to, unfortunately. Despite this, the IDF didn't even try to create a believable story. Did the IDF say anything about why they executed the paramedics one by one and buried the vehicles along with them?

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