What does 'Free Palestine' mean to you?

[TwigletsAndRadishes]

I just read that Rachel Zegler shared the trailer for Snow White and commented attached to it, '....and always remember, free Palestine.'

It just got me thinking, what does 'Free Palestine' or 'A Free Palestine' mean to you?

What is it you would want to see in order to be satisfied that Palestine is free and Palestinians are free?

Well just let the Israelis kill all the Palestinians horrifically instead so?

As they are doing right at this moment.
Much better solution.

So by 'Palestine' what geographic area or areas in total are we talking about here? When most people talk about Palestine do they just mean Gaza and the West Bank? Or do they mean the land that is Israel as well? Was that considered Palestine by Palestinians before the modern state of Israel was formed? Is the aim to have a two state solution, or a one state solution where Israel no longer exists? Would Palestine ever be considered 'free' by most people who call for 'a free Palestine' while Israel exists?

Not one person here has said they don't want Israel to exist?

I certainly don't.

Israel exists it is a country with a people who have pride in their nationality. It is a country with a history, a government, a culture: that cannot be dismantled and people ethnically cleansed from an area that they were born into for a one state solution.

I just think people of Gaza and West Bank should also have this right.

Exactly. The past 19months have certainly shown us what Israel are capable of if the decades before that hadn't. Year in year, year out Israel kill more Palestinians than the other way around yet somehow Palestinians are painted as crazed killers who can't even be trusted with self determination. Year in year out Israeli settlers are the ones who steal more and more Palestinian land with the full support of the Israeli government support yet Palestinians are the ones painted as trying to stop Israel from existing. It's some crazy blinkered thinking from some.

Palestine is free just that Hamas has it in a stranglehold

Is the occupied west bank free too? Even though Hamas isn't ruling there. There's plenty of Jewish settler terrorists though burning down mosques and Palestinian properly, aided and enabled by the IDF.

No, you are right, not one person has said on this thread that they don't want Israel to exist. That is not evidence that 'not one person' wishes Israel didn't exist though, is it? It might just mean that the people who would like to see the destruction of Israel as a state are rather reluctant to write it down on Mumsnet.

I'm sure there plenty of people who think that dismantling Israel and ethnically cleansing the area of Jews is perfectly feasible and justifiable in the process of 'taking back' land they believe to be theirs.

So I wondered when people talk about freeing Palestine, what specific areas they are referring to, and whether it means Palestinians living 'freely' in Gaza and the West Bank alongside Israel and Israelis, or not.

Anyone who thinks that dismantling Israel and ethnically cleaning Israelis is ok is not someone's opinion I would listen too. I'm sure they exist, but best ignored.

However I do note it is acceptable on Mumsnet to not give the same respect to Palestinians, many agree openly with Trump's plan, many say that Palestinians can't be trusted with a state and that a two state solution will not work, that a ceasefire will not work etc.
Even the concept of a Free Palestine on this thread has been denigrated as a souundbite by "useful idiots".

Yes because people who believe a nation who have been oppressed since 1948, routinely murdered, food controlled, guarded with Israeli army all around them in a prison and now being genocided deserve to live in dignity and freedom are all antisemitic. Keep peddling this BS no one buys it anymore

All they need to do is hand back the hostages...hamas are doing this to their people.

If Netanyahu cared about the hostages he would have negotiated to Phase 2 in which the remaining hostages would have been released instead of resuming the killing.
This is why the hostages families are protesting against the actions.

Basically my view as well, as a Jewish person. Palestine recognised as a country, with its own government.

I don't see it as meaning the destruction of Israel, although doubtless some will use it that way. I don't find the use of it threatening.

Lets be honest here, it they meant Free Gaza and the West Bank they wouldn’t be saying Free Palestine which refers to the geographical region which encompasses Israel.

Or maybe that’s too many words to remember in a chant or put into a slogan?

Why isn’t it Free the Palestinians? Only a few letters more.

Israelis seem to be pretty free within Israel so I don’t thing it means them. They’re just at risk of being torn to pieces like in Ramallah in 2000, or taken hostage if they step into Gaza, like the two young men recently released who were held hostage for 10 years. There are even warning signs instructing Israelis not to enter which I found pretty shocking.

The Ask Project series of videos on YouTube where Palestinians in the West Bsnk and Israelis in Israel were interviewed for their views on a two state solution is eye opening I have to say, although unsurprising.

I would urge anyone interested in what the question in the OP means to Palestinians themselves to watch it.

So when this country comes into being-the “Free Palestine” you speak of-will it be a truly free, democratic, pluralistic, liberal country, or will it only be a country that’s just “free” of Jews?

It's like we are stuck in groundhog day. Talk about 'soundbites'. Then what happens @Azureshores suddenly Israel grow a conscience and stop killing Palestinians, they stop putting Palestinians including children in administrative detention, they return the West Bank to Palestinians and stop their occupation, they stop the collective punishment of Palestinians in Gaza, they stop controlling Palestinians water supplies etc etc? Or Hamas return the hostages and Israel go back to the status quo of killing Palestinians quietly instead of with the world watching?

Of course hostages should be released but stupid statements like all they need to do is hand back the hostages like that will fix everything rather than just fix things for Israel are growing real old.

It means hassle. Work related.

This 👆

I will definitely do that, thanks.

And do you know why Mahmoud Abbas is serving his twenty-first year of a four-year term? Because he and the rest of his PA cronies know that if the West Bank were to hold an election tomorrow Hamas would wipe the floor with them and win by a landslide. Polls shows that Hamas are even more popular in the West Bank than they are in Gaza.

And as for your settlements comment, there wouldn’t even be any settlements there today if the Palestinian leadership had accepted any of the amazing peace offers to partition the land presented to them in the last few decades. You reap what you sow.

How do you feel about the actions of the current Israeli government, your posts indicate you are a pacifist who is against anyone being hurt or taken hostage?

Do you agree with a campaign that has left nearly 60,000 (disproportionately women and children)dead at the hands of the IDF?

@GoldenStrawberry

On average of 4 settler violent attacks in the West Bank a day (1400 since Oct 7th)

13 children murdered this year.(It's March)

Israeli settlers burned a mosque in December and spray painted "Death to Arabs" on it.

Palestinian police are forbidden from reacting to settler violence.

But it's their own fault "you reap what you sow". If only they did what they were told in the past.

Wow and then posters have the audacity to say a says there aren't any comments justifying violence and oppression against Palestinians by Israelis.

'You reap what you sow'

Where does that leave the country who has killed thousands and thousands of Palestinian children in the past months?

I have an amazing offer for you. I keep your house and you get the garden shed. You would be a fool to turn it down(because if you do I will kill, imprison and torture your family for decades to come). It's an amazing offer though, seriously.

@GoldenStrawberry I hope you realise how twisted your words sound when they are directed the other way.