Let's not pretend Hamas treat anyone 'well' and these are the guys in charge of Gaza

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdxnwnz1

They continue killing Palestinians too: https://x.com/IhabHassane/status/1890087493871243395

To deliberately starve and psychologically harm these young women is appalling. Hamas need to be removed get no one has a plan yet how this can be done.

I think this show a how misogyny lies at the root of Hamas perverse ideolgy.

"Ms Gilboa says the hardest thing she endured was seeing a video that suggested her daughter had been killed. Her captors poured powder on her so she looked like she was covered in plaster, as if she was killed in an Israeli military strike."

It has been alleged that some of the videos shared on x also use similar tactics for their PR machine. It is difficult to know what is true and what is fake as can be shown with the fake video suggesting this young woman was dead. Beware of x and tic toc which is full of fake videos.

"Hamas militias committed a massacre yesterday, Wednesday, February 12, in the western camp of Khan Younis, Gaza. They opened fire on five brothers, killing one of them, Fares Abu Salama, and critically injuring his four brothers."

Awful isn't it. Then people end up assuming Israel killed all these poor people. Poor brothers.

They rule by terror and fear. It must be incredibly hard to ho against them. They need removal for the hood of both Israeli and Palestinian people.

I don’t think they can be removed easily and that’s the problem.
Look what happened in Afghanistan. You get rid of one dictatorship to be replaced by another.
Would it really be wise to get involved again?
What would it accomplish? The poor Afghanistan women are again suppressed and all the fighting and killing has been for nought.

It's always women and children that suffer. Hamas are terrorists.

They are monsters.
I believe Egypt is drafting a plan for Gaza, without Hamas.
The problem is the moment at which they take control and power off Hamas. But, if nobody provides them with weapons and they freeze their bank accounts, they should not be able to oppose an organised front, hopefully.
I would not be surprised if the kidnap Palestinians or any foreign doctor or journalist that they find around, trying to keep some control.
If it is the neighbouring arab states who take control of Gaza till they can form their own government, with the view of a proper Palestine State, I wonder if Hamas will fight or just vanish. They are so detached from their own people, that I think the harder core ones will fight against it. Anyway, it has to be done.

It is not Hamas it's men. Always fucking men.

Come to say exactly the same thing. Violent, toxic men. That's the problem. It doesn't matter what faith or country. They ruin it for everyone.

Well, thanks God not all men are terrorists. Also, not all terrorists are men.
I do not find this comment fair.

I don’t think Hamas are so detached from the people sadly and not only in Gaza.

www.timesofisrael.com/we-are-all-hamas-palestinians-wave-terror-groups-flag-on-temple-mount/amp/

@SleekBlackCat
This is one of the points where I fully disagree. You cannot blame a nation for any actions of one or several individuals of said nation.
Civilians are always innocent in war or other armed conflicts- that is included in international law, as you well know.
There has been wars and conflicts between neighbouring nations since the beginning of times. Yet, they find the way to live alongside each other. The civilians at the time surely spoke badly of each other, were unsympathetic of the sufferings of the others, blamed them for the deaths or suffering of their families. I am sure they said viles things of each other. But once peace settles in, they start trading, sharing food, clothes, styles, ideas...
Or am I wrong here?
I think we need to keep our thoughts on the future. Make a future.

Where did I say any of that? I don’t need to be preached to by you Thanks.

You didn’t need to disagree with me unless you are disagreeing that Hamas have any support from the Palestinian people? Please do not try and accuse me of things I have not said.

As you raised it, Hamas are the governing body of Gaza not just one or several individuals btw.

Voted in in 2007 by the parents of the majority of the children who have been killed and are suffering through this war right now, two years after Israel had totally removed itself from Gaza including taking the bodies in graves in Jewish cemeteries. When do you think the blockade that created the oft quoted ‘open air prison’ was introduced? When did Egypt build a blockade on their side.

This article was referring to the West Bank btw. The people that support Hamas have agency on whether or not they support Hamas there surely as it’s often said Hamas are not in the West Bank despite at least one of the founding members being from there. Mosab Hassan Yousef was born in Ramallah and brought up there.

It was from 2021 and note they were calling for an attack on Israel.

This is just a waste of time.
You just go round and round in circles.
And I am not interested in stupid loops.
You never offer anything new.
It is just spout hate and hate and hate and more hate.

That is a rather a disgusting accusation. Where have I spouted hate? It seems you don’t like to be challenged on what you post.

I responded to your post of 17.36 where you said that nations can’t be blamed for the actions of individuals and I well know that civilians are protected are in war. I had not said they should be or that they shouldn’t be so I don’t quite know why you felt the need to post that.

I said I don’t think Hamas are that detached from the people sadly, in response to you saying they were. We’ve all seen the videos and the support they have had and still have.

I haven’t seen much speaking out against them over the last 18 years and there were plenty of NGOs, UNWRA, international bodies, journalists, and even Palestinians who went into Israel to work everyday so had access to international media who they could have spoken out to and asked for protection but………….

I do think the Palestinians who voted in Hamas in 2007 can be blamed for that decision and I explained why and the consequences of that.

What did they think Israel would do after the Palestinians elected a government dedicated to the annihilation of Jews after decades of terrorist attacks already? Seriously?!!

That is no reflection on the children who are living with the horror of the consequences of that decision who are totally innocent.

You also posted this and of course this is what should have happened and could have happened since 1948 if the Arabs at the time had created their own state and taken the many opportunities they have had since, rather than wage war and terrorist attacks on Israel. Do you blame Israel for it not?

There has been wars and conflicts between neighbouring nations since the beginning of times. Yet, they find the way to live alongside each other. The civilians at the time surely spoke badly of each other, were unsympathetic of the sufferings of the others, blamed them for the deaths or suffering of their families. I am sure they said viles things of each other. But once peace settles in, they start trading, sharing food, clothes, styles, ideas...
Or am I wrong here?

Edited for posting twice.

That civilians cannot be blamed by the actions of a terrorist group is a fact, it does not need challenging.
That some of the members were from the West Bank, that is a fact too.
But Hamas is not the political representation of Palestinians in the West Bank, which is what people mean when they say there is no Hamas there, as you well know. The actions and ideologies of some cannot be extended to the whole, particularly in this present, which is well distanced from the time of voting and after actions that clearly show how little Hamas cares for Palestinians.
Many of the people trapped into this did not vote, by the way.

As there is finally a ceasefire, should we not focus on building a future? Instead of constantly bringing up the mistakes of the past? And, assuming that nothing has changed after all this time? Because I have yet to see a thread about a way out of this.

And, yes, there have been many previous opportunities of sorting this problem, with the two state solution. They should have taken it. It is their failure that they did not. Many lives would have been very different if they had. I wished they had. But we cannot change the past. I really do not want this ceasefire to be another failed attempt.

Name a female terrorist organisation to back up your comment.

I am not saying there are all female terrorists organisations, but within the terrorists are women too.

I googled female terrorists and there are entries.
I wished I had not googled it....