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Conflict in the Middle East

Israel and the UN

34 replies

username358 · 13/11/2024 17:11

Why is Israel in the UN?

The far right government of Israel has made its contempt of the UN very clear. Recently described by its head of state as “contemptible”, a “house of darkness” and a “swamp of antisemitic bile”.

One of its ambassadors, somewhat melodramatically, shredded a copy of the UN charter in the general assembly and later said that the UN headquarters “should be ...wiped off the face of the Earth”.

They've declared the UN secretary general a persona non grata and banned him from entering the country. They've willfully obstructed a UN inquiry into the 7/10 attack. They've kicked UNRWA out of Israel and announced them a 'terrorist agency'.

They've bombed UN schools, warehouses and refugee camps killing over 200 UN staff. Not content with that, they're attacking UN peacekeepers and property in Lebanon.

Israel refuse to comply with UN resolutions yet remain a member of the UN. It's posited that should the UN try to kick them out under Article 6, it would be vetoed by their friends in the US.

The UN suspended South Africa for apartheid and illegal occupation of neighbouring countries yet hasn't suspended Israel. 40 countries condemned Israel's attacks on peacekeepers yet no action has been taken.

Israel treats the UN with contempt, says it's irrelevant and full of antisemites - maybe the question is: why doesn't Israel leave the UN?

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EasterIssland · 16/11/2024 16:53

herecomesautumn · 16/11/2024 16:40

🤣🤣🤣 you show me yours first OP

All the virtue signaling about genocide, you must have evidence

Like, I dunno, mass deportations, kidnap and forcible adoption of children, removal of language, literature and cultural facilities in invaded spaces. Burning books. Filtration camps. Imprisonment of political and civic leaders.

I’m not OP but this is in the news

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/14/united-nations-special-committee-israel-gaza-genocide

UN special committee likens Israeli policy in Gaza to genocide | Israel-Gaza war | The Guardian

Report also refers to Israel ‘using starvation as a weapon of war’ and running ‘apartheid system’ in West Bank

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2024/nov/14/united-nations-special-committee-israel-gaza-genocide

username358 · 16/11/2024 16:56

herecomesautumn · 16/11/2024 16:40

🤣🤣🤣 you show me yours first OP

All the virtue signaling about genocide, you must have evidence

Like, I dunno, mass deportations, kidnap and forcible adoption of children, removal of language, literature and cultural facilities in invaded spaces. Burning books. Filtration camps. Imprisonment of political and civic leaders.

As an expert, you know that the most difficult aspect of genocide is evidence of intent (dolus specialis). To constitute genocide there must be proven intent to physically destroy a national, ethnical, racial or religious group. That intent may also include the existence of a State or organisational plan or policy.

I'm not aware of Russia's intent, comprising a plan or policy, to destroy Ukraine. I was under the impression that they wanted control of Ukraine and its people, not destroy them.

However you have evidence to the contrary. You have evidence that Russia is acting with genocidal intent. I hope you've handed that proof to the ICC or the police at the very least.

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Sunflowersinwinter · 16/11/2024 17:03

herecomesautumn · 16/11/2024 16:33

Nope OP. I know the definition of genocide

What russia is doing is not comparable to gaza. It is an actual genocide and is so much worse

Wow.

Sunflowersinwinter · 16/11/2024 17:04

@herecomesautumn you really should read up on what Israel is doing in Gaza if you think it isn't a genocide.

herecomesautumn · 16/11/2024 17:07

Sunflowersinwinter · 16/11/2024 17:04

@herecomesautumn you really should read up on what Israel is doing in Gaza if you think it isn't a genocide.

Noted

I'll try and do that when I have time. I'm not posting in here 24/7 or trawling the internet and twitter obsessively like some posters so no doubt you're right and I'll educate myself 🤷🏻‍♀️

Sunflowersinwinter · 16/11/2024 17:10

herecomesautumn · 16/11/2024 17:07

Noted

I'll try and do that when I have time. I'm not posting in here 24/7 or trawling the internet and twitter obsessively like some posters so no doubt you're right and I'll educate myself 🤷🏻‍♀️

That is a strange comment, although i am pleased to hear you will try to educate yourself on the genocide 👍

EasterIssland · 17/11/2024 08:18

Westofeasttoday · 16/11/2024 16:16

Does your Google not work the same as everyone else’s?

I just typed this in as a first check:

https://www.hrw.org/report/2023/11/09/tanks-playground/attacks-schools-and-military-use-schools-ukraine

So yeah you are wrong. For fun I tried a second time and metaphorically speaking they have ripped up the charter

https://unsdg.un.org/latest/announcements/russias-invasion-ukraine-violation-un-charter-un-chief-tells-security-council

Either your algorithms are skewed significantly to show only Israel is “wrong” of you are very biased in your thinking.

Also your second link nobody has denied it

now can you post me links of Russia

targeting UN schools
killing UN workers
banning UN secretary
banning aid workers

those are examples im after and the ones that are within this thread topic “Israel And UN”

username358 · 17/11/2024 14:49

EasterIssland · 17/11/2024 08:18

Also your second link nobody has denied it

now can you post me links of Russia

targeting UN schools
killing UN workers
banning UN secretary
banning aid workers

those are examples im after and the ones that are within this thread topic “Israel And UN”

It doesn't have to be Russia, any other country will do.

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Auvergne63 · 17/11/2024 15:36

herecomesautumn · 16/11/2024 16:26

The ignorance, or maybe just naïveté, is remarkable

Russian apologists are grim

Russia is actually carrying out an actual genocide before our actual eyes.

But it ain't Gaza, so....:

The ignorance, or maybe just naïveté, is remarkable
Yes it is...
Russian apologists are grim
No one is apologising for Russia but plenty do when it comes to Gaza.
Russia is actually carrying out an actual genocide before our actual eyes.
Russia is committing war crimes and there is evidence that Putin is inciting genocide. Committing and inciting are two different things.
But it ain't Gaza, so....:
You are right there. Over 16,756 children killed in Gaza in 13 months; 1,993 children killed in Ukraine in well over 2 years.

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